'Truth is a woman' says Nietzsche, but was he right?

This idea was explored by Nietzsche in at least two of his books, Thus Spoke Zarathustra and Beyond Good and Evil. I am not saying with certainty he genuinely believed this, although I do think he tended to see truth along these lines. I simply do not claim to reduce his understanding of something so profound as the idea of truth itself to merely one interpretation, even as it was his own interpretation in these instances within his writing.

He wrote, “SUPPOSING that Truth is a woman–what then? Is there not ground for suspecting that all philosophers, in so far as they have been dogmatists, have failed to understand women–that the terrible seriousness and clumsy importunity with which they have usually paid their addresses to Truth, have been unskilled and unseemly methods for winning a woman? Certainly she has never allowed herself to be won.” -BGE

He also wrote, “Untroubled, scornful, outrageous—that is how wisdom wants us: she is a woman and never loves anyone but a warrior.” -TSZ

I believe there are other instances in which he wrote on this idea but I can’t seem to find them at the moment. In any case, the above suffices for now.

Do you think Nietzsche was right? What is it about the truth itself, whatever it is or how you conceptualize it, that led Nietzsche to this idea and do you think Nietzsche was merely expressing something about his own subjectivity, preferences and maybe desires, or was he expressing something profound about the nature of truth itself?

And what other possible ways can we understand what truth is, perhaps “truth is a man” makes just as much sense, or other interpretations? How do we value these various interpretations and how far into them do we want to go with philosophical analysis to determine a degree of truthfulness to them, outside of our own subjective value or more broadly the wisdom that may be revealed by these interpretations? Said otherwise, I want to explore the relationship between truth and wisdom as it relates to interpretations of truth like the ones Nietzsche was making.

I wonder if every person, or at least every philosopher makes his own interpretation of what truth is, and what extent this has to do with whatever it is that truth ‘itself’ is. Being truth itself, it could perhaps accommodate every possible interpretation of itself as aspects of itself, nested within itself as examples of certain truths regarding one or more ways in which truth itself can be understood.

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@MrAuthoritarian

Even Nietzsche (pictured below) knows you’re a pussy to not reply in that thread.

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@ProfessorX

Sounds like Nietzsche is saying truth is as fickle as a woman. Popular expression back then as it is now.

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Yeah, what he’s done is a simple metaphor. A philosopher in search of truth will be synononous to the lover in search of the mysterious woman. Because N was a great harbringer of doom and iconoclast, truth for him was something that would have to be new, unknown, and even dangerous. So he compared doing philosophy to crusing the bars (or symphony halls in N’s case) lookin for women and not knowing what the hell you’re getting yourself into.

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“Even Nietzsche (pictured below) knows you’re a pussy to not reply in that thread.”

You take that name out of your mouth you blue bottled priest’s maid!

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Nothing new about Nietzsche. Suppose truth is a frisbee inside a pool, what then?

Friedrich just wanted to poke at people, just that.

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No, dude, Fritz was a stylist, and you don’t use frisbees in your metaphors when you are brilliant writer. The truth/woman metaphor was excellent, daring and erotic like in a philosophical version of Penthouse Forum. What delights a man more than truth and women? Can you even imagine what would happen if you made the two synonymous? The whole of victorian europe would have a fit and not know what to do. University scholars would be like, “wtf is this… i dunno but i love it. You guys wanna have an orgy?”

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I think that (literally) assigning a gender to truth is about the place and point where one can be very definite about severe mental illnesses and/or brain damage.

He meant this as metaphor. Not literally.
The question should be what the metaphor was about.
Clearly he set up a framework and context for this statement, and thats what should be the point and subject of the question, not whether women are any closer to truth, god forbid are the truth themselves.

And i fail to understand the notion that everyone makes an interpretation about what the truth is.
The truth is absolute and non divisible.
If it wasnt, then it would not be true.
You can be talking about all kinds of things. Your truth. Other’s truth. Subjective truth. Theoretical truth. Assumptions.

But the truth itself is not something relative or subjective to any philosophers.
If it was, the concept itself would hold no meaning of any kind because it would be the same as an opinion or assumption.

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Truth is a woman, something to be wooed, something you need to be creative, something you need to not just take one line of relation to. If you have a romantic interest, it’s something that takes different perspectives to come at. It’s not going to just respond to, hey, give me your phone number, hey, give me your phone number, over and over. It’s the relationship is complicated. It’s not going to present a unified front, the truth. It’s going to be complicated and have different facets and be shifting, and we shouldn’t try to get it into a box. It’s not as linear as men are. And I think there’s a sense of play, creativity, exploration in what he’s saying. And he doesn’t like these tomes of philosophical, logical analysis, deduction, and all of that crap.

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It’s one of those things. The genius of Nietzsche was finding that rhetorical irreducibility isn’t logico-absolutist. It is poetic. There are no shorter or clearer ways to write anything he wrote. It cannot be expanded on.

“If truth is a woman,”

This speaks for itself. If it doesn’t, nothing can help you because, again, it is the shortest and clearest way to write it.

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Two pages of Nietzsche are worth most good writers’ entire ouvres.

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So, according to Nietzsche, the most important question of philosophy is…

… WHAT IS A WOMAN?

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That is Freud, and the question is what does a woman want?

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Perhaps a candidate for best answer to that question is the song “What a Girl Wants.”

“I’m thanking you for everything.”

It is a man’s task to know the answer. His measure, if you will.

What a great song, let’s just post it here:

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@Socrates

You’re single, aren’t you?

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@Socrates

It’s pretty obvious what a majority of women want, unrealistic expectations bound everywhere with all the pathetic kneeling simps in between.

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@pseudoai

The ultimate truth of everything eludes humanity and always will, the best we can do is group social consensus and even there we fail at that often.

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Not at all, we know some truth, and group social consensus is one of the worst measures of truth - it’s just a measure of consensus

By the way, what is a woman?

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@pseudoai

We know some trivial truths and facts but I was talking about the ultimate truth of being or existence that explains virtually everything.

We’ve spent centuries hunting, scurrying, and looking all over for it only to come largely empty handed.

Group consensus is the entire basis of human society.

What is a woman? I have an entire thread devoted to the subject entitled Sexual Capitalism.

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Group consensus is important to society, yes, that’s why it’s not a measure of truth

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