Two new thoughts on my theory of the four ages.

In the OP of my “The 4 Aeons: Platonic, Machiavellian, Nietzschean, Homeric” thread, I wrote and quoted:

[size=95]The Straussian scholar Seth Benardete, in his The Bow and the Lyre, which first made me see Homer as a philosopher in the Nietzschean sense—i.e., a commander and legislator (BGE 211)—, seems to me to argue that Homer’s innovation was the promotion of the Olympian gods to the rank of supreme gods and thereby the demotion of the cosmic gods to lesser gods:

[list][/size][size=85]Homer […] gives the impression that the Sun punished Odysseus’s men; but we are later told that the Sun cannot punish individual men; he can withdraw his light from gods and men equally, but he needs Zeus to carry out what alone would satisfy him (12.382-83). Homer does not mention Zeus. If we may distinguish between cosmic gods like the Sun—gods whose possible existence is manifest to sight—and Olympian gods, about whom there is only hearsay, then Homer begins [the Odyssey] with a cosmic god who punishes human folly, but he is at once corrected as soon as the Muse takes over and introduces Homer and us to Poseidon, Zeus, and Athena. Homer on his own suggests that Odysseus’s wisdom and justice are supported by the cosmic gods, who no less exact terrible vengeance for injustice and folly. That this suggestion is not confirmed by the Muse to whom Homer hands over the story seems to imply that Odysseus, in choosing to return home, chooses the Olympian gods. [Source: Benardete, op.cit., page 5.][/size][/list:u]

Now in my “Nietzschean superhumanism versus (trans)humanism” thread on the Think Humanism forum, I quoted and wrote:

[size=95][That there will be no wars to end all wars would also be vouchsafed by] “those natural cataclysms which ensure that humanity will not fall final prey to human inventions, those beneficent cataclysms, cataclysms of grace, whose goodness toward humanity consists in their annihilation of civilized human life and the enforced return of humanity to its natural primitive conditions from which the earth can again be repopulated and recivilized.” (Laurence Lampert, Leo Strauss and Nietzsche.) The only alternative to awaiting or engineering such a cataclysm would be a “spiral dynamic” in which the current, “humanist” phase is not succeeded by the most primitive phase but by the higher-tier equivalent of that phase. That higher-tier equivalent could then be followed by the higher-tier equivalents of the later phases as well, for example the Homeric phase, the Platonic (or Vedantic) phase, and our current Machiavellian-Cartesian phase.[/size]

This passage contains a reference to Spiral Dynamics. The best summary of the phases of Spiral Dynamics can be found here: http://themagicofbeing.squarespace.com/spiral-dynamics (but see also http://vievolve.com/values-systems-4). I already associated the Red phase with the Homeric age, the Blue phase with the Platonic age, and the Orange and Green phases with the Machiavellian age (for an idea as to why I still consider Green Machiavellian, see my “The conquest of human nature versus the conquest of nature” thread). Now the Purple phase, which precedes the–individualistic–Red phase, is not just a collectivistic phase, but actually precedes any real individualism (the first phase, the Beige, though technically an individualistic phase, precedes any real self-consciousness): its kind of society is the primitive commune-- the one with a “group soul” (except, perhaps, for the shamans). So in the pre-Homeric age, it may not have been a problem that the Sun cannot punish individual men: if the Sun threatens to “withdraw his light” (i.e., when there is a solar eclipse), that is because the society as a whole has not been good enough. But by Homer’s time, individualism had developed so far that the animistic religion with its cosmic gods could no longer keep the society “pious”. Hence Homer had to command and legislate a new religion that kept the Red warriors in check by appealing to their pride.

I discern a pattern among the ages in that they alternate between ending with too much religion and too much enlightenment. The Homeric turn led to too much enlightenment: the Sophistic enlightenment, which was “screened off” (esotericized) by Socrates because it threatened to burn down the wooden pillar of faith that held it aloft and thereby threatened itself. The Platonic turn, however, led to too much religion, which in the Middle Ages already led to precarious conditions for philosophy among the Abrahamic religions and especially Christianity, where toward the end of the Renaissance it led Machiavelli to command and legislate the use of science for the inventions of warfare, a holy war against Christianity. This however has now, in turn, led to too much enlightenment (global technology, nihilism). This suggests that the Nietzschean turn will lead to too much religion. But if we foresee this, shouldn’t we try to prevent it from happening? Shouldn’t we try to make future turns unnecessary? But this was precisely what Machiavelli intended and what ultimately led to the current crisis. The Nietzschean religion, whose core idea is the idea of the recurrence, is started precisely in order that there shall be future turns; the unnecessariness of any future turns is precisely what makes the Nietzschean turn necessary…

This is a great topic, thanks for posting.

Regarding Homeric gods and Hellenistic religion we see the myths subtlizing and as you say individualizing, not only in terms of how the gods anger or favor is directed or provoked but in terms of the characters of the gods themselves, representing certain individualized human passions, inclinations, temperaments, etc. The inner life of the human mind is here being externalized with greater detail into the mythic symbols, those religious ideas are personifying human experience not only as an individual but as taking the vast differences and contrasts of any single human being and seeking to separate them out from each other; this is the real genius of Homer and the Greeks, a genius of isolating and beginning to attempt a qualification of that whole “inner life”.

Christianity represents a further build upon that genius, exampled by so many figures, Augustine, Eriugena, Shakespeare, Gallileo, Pascal, Kierkegaard to name just some that come easily to mind. The Christian genius was to deepen the Greek attempt at isolating and de limiting the inner life via outward projection into the external shared mythologies, and it does this by inverting the man-God relationship by representing divinity (the symbol of the dynamos of the ‘inner life’) as an abyss, a negative lack of which man can only participate in his own parallel abyssal condition; man’s lack of and need for God, for forgiveness and removal of the stain of sin, which of course means the stain and “sin” of living. The impossible standard is set up, a transcendental ideal, for the aporetic relationship holds between both voids, the abyss of man (sin) and the abyss of God (divinity and God’s mysterious unfathomability). The Greek myths have been sewn together anew, the dynamic differentiated representation of the inner life has, in the idea followed by the passion, closed up without losing that vagarious, differential nature… Indeed has even become more mysterious and ‘ideal’ (Platonic) in Christianity.

Religion and secularism/enlightenment reflect polar shifts in human cognitive and affective magnetism in terms of attractive power of various Gestalt-like titanic forces deep-seated in human experience and the self-mediating mechanisms of that experience, especially when shared with others (communal). The impulse to science is no less communal than is the impulse to religion, we might say that only philosophy bears no essential communal spirit, although poetically and rhetorically moves out among the world easily enough mediated by shared experiences and psychological pressures. Faith and doubt, as someone else here said, is not a bad way to frame this spiritual divide, but of course it runs much deeper.

As to (2) this above connects with how Nietzsche’s own religious impulse and “doubt-arresting faith” is reflected in the notion of the Will to Power, where “willing” mystifies the inner life beyond a certain point and, more importantly, beyond a certain kind and quality of possible encounters; Nietzsche’s further delimitation like Christianity seeks to solidify the Greek move, to contract the divine mythos by way of a shared ethos and development of a functional logic: for Christianity this was the abyssal nature of man and God, for Nietzdche this was attempting to collapse the ideal dimension down to the parameters of the human psychic frame --man created God, man killed God, etc. Thus Nietzsche’s radical historicizing approach to philosophy, as Foucault notes, and which I would argue comes actually from Nietzsche’s religious side rather than from his enlightenment side.

There will always be the group/class of people who ‘see’* the cycles, and the class who don’t. The class of ‘seers’* have probably always seen the cycles, but fate/the force, moves through the far larger class who don’t, ergo the cycles inevitably reoccur.

As i see it the cycles are cumulative, and the one we are in now is the apex cycle of the set. In one way or another it’s going to change things permanently, or otherwise be the resolution of all which led up to it.

There are only two main things which can occur in the future; 1, it all returns to simplicity. 2, we find a way to continue post [raw]material depletion.

Either way will be a permanent resolution. Nothing can change much after ‘1’, there could be religious and political change, a new jesus type leader/revolution or some such thing, but it would be meaningless if humanity cannot do anything [e.g. beyond farming and basic civilisation].

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Individual humans may be subject to resource depletion, even whole societies may, but civilization itself never will be. All of the apocalyptic predictions and fiction are wrong.

Man personifies a concentrated version of nature, and “nature” is nothing if not a continuous transformation toward new and better means of consumption. Humanity will endure, cut down all the forests and we’ll make breathing machines or photosynthesizing floating biomechanical factories. Use up all the oil and we’ll kickstart all forms of renewable and shift the grid practically overnight, or just migrate off world.

A single person, group, even a whole nation can be stopped. But you can’t stop humanity. No way.

Stop thinking in terms of the lazy myth of “resource depletion” Armageddon.