Understanding and Intuition

Adolph,

I have a question for you. If you discovered (omg) that your great grandma actually was adopted and of African American ancestry, would you commit suicide or embrace your newfound culture and start discovering new Kwanza recipes? Be Honest.

Shoes on the other foot, eh? How extra special do you feel about your race now? I imagine that you will begin analyzing the width of your nose, size of your butt and or penis, begin to wonder why you have had such great rhythm all these years and suddenly have this general yen for barbeque and watermelon?? :astonished:

I DO love my race. THE HUMAN RACE!

Brill - really glad we’re buddies. :slight_smile:

Yes indeed. Since he’s obviously back, I see no reason why the Powers That Be Ben don’t just unfreeze his name & account. What’s the issue?

POR, aka Himmler,

The first humans were probably Black or Asian. Whites are a product of a possible gene mutuation due to migration. Go find a … Neo Nazis really suck.

I will leave this unsaid. :unamused: #-o #-o

I have always been curious in the childhood upbringing with such bigotry. Why not just be “proud,” boys. Why do you feel the need to discuss this endlessly and beat it with a stick? Do you do this for shock value or attention? From the time I was very little I read about Nazis and their myopic view of race and could not imagine the upbringing of any child who is raised as a “Christian” with such underlying hate. Tell me. Are you just proud to be white or are you seeking attention? Also, do you iron your own sheets or do you have them sent out to the dry cleaner?

Okay, I am staying away from this. If I can’t bring my mud pies and catapults in here, I am staying out. ](*,)

Hello Reichsfuhrer SS:

— You don’t address the Reichsfuhrer SS with a Hello, you say Heil Mein Reichsfuhrer.
O- You are lucky and blessed already. Lucky that I address you at all, and bless that when I do address you and humor your vanity to this extent.

— Nope, intuition is not prejudgement. But it is immediately judgement. I know that I have the truth, and you disagree, so intuitively I know all that disagree with the truth is wrong. this is how intuitive reasoning goes. Prejudgement on the other hand is about making hasty conclusions when one does not know the whole picture. But I do, so I act out of intuition and not prejudgement.
O- It is not that you have the “truth” but that whatever you hold, or fancy that you “know”, however false it might be, you, out of vanity and a simple faith, turn into “truth”. But because you cannot see your error, in fact you do not even allow the possibility in your religion, that does not mean that you have understanding, or that you “judgment” is worthy of such self-praise. I call an intuition such as yours a prejudice. A judgement occurs after a careful deliberation. Yet you do not arrive at that. Because you imagine that you have the “truth” already, your intuition is not a careful deliberation, or even uses a method.
“I know that I have the truth”, you say, but isn’t that “making hasty conclusions when one does not know the whole picture”? And if you do, then demonstrate. Oh but wait! That is right, the truth of it is in your subjective feelings towards beings you consider external and alien to you. That is the extent of your careful deliberation. You have the truth, you know the truth not because you actually do, but because you feel that you do

— Intuition is understanding if you are aware of the truth. You can intuitively know when something is about to happen when you don’t fully understand why. In terms of cogntive psychology, understanding involves all pieces which was previously hidden in long term memory be bought into the working memory, so you see the whole picture, while intuition is knowing the criticial aspect of the whole picture, thus inferring the whole picture from a obscure, yet defining identity.
O- What you describe here is similar to a sixth sense. Yet talking about it does not make it true and intuitions are often quite wrong. Just because you have an intuition about something, it does not follow that you auto matically have the truth. At best you have a “hunch”, at worst you have an illusion.
Regardless, this is not a judgment because it does not come from an evaluation of facts and evidence, but tries to pass as it’s own evidence and that is it is a prejudice. Prejudice does not mean that you has made a hasty conclusion, it is the process of “pre-judging” something. It implies coming to a judgment on a subject before learning where the preponderance of evidence actually lies.

— So, if we apply it to race. By looking at the face of people, (have you done so recently), you intuitively understand their racial category or at least distinct from your own.
O- No. If we are at a zoo, then I can see in the face of a zebra that my race is not it. Looking at a person’s face does not inform me of any racial diversity, unless of course, I have been indoctrinated into the categories of “white”, “black” and others. For example, the actual evidence one finds is that by “Black” one mingles together a series of brownish skin colors. Those that use such words force the diversity of nations and peoples into a single category. The singleness however is all in your mind.
Same with “White”. Within you pass over diverse tones of yellow, pink and light brown and run it all under the simplicity of “White”. But again the simplicity is within the system you imagine and is divorced from experience. It is a prejudice.

— Intuition has nothing to do with prejudice, because you are not passing a judgement (whether you like a person or not) but an understanding (whether that person is black.white.asian)
O- The distinction comes not from what you think of a person but what you think or take as being, the truth. You might think that you are simply stating what is obvious to anyone’s senses, but as I said above, no skin color is truly black. Skin tones vary but generally are whithin a shade of brown. Ghost might be imagined as white, but no skin, in a healthy person is actually white. These distinction of “Black/White” are effective only as concepts within a linguistic tradition and not because our senses, instinct or unconscious sees actual black people or white people.

— here you are denying the application of the intuition. I can see trees, without knowing that they are name trees. Language does not create experience, but it describes experience.
O- Incorrect. Language works on a sort of faith. reality exceeds the senses. Language is our way of arresting what empirically is beyond our grasp. We create divisions when none is applicable and this is a prejudice.

— The cogntive ability to unite, group trees comes naturally, it is not a learnt process.
O- You group trees? Then how come you are having such problems at uniting humans? Let me remind you that I do not deny that I see trees, but that in seeing a tree, I do not also see “Oak”, “Cherry”,“Palm”. These distictions are not intuitive at all and neither are racial divisions.

— how do they know it is their soul? don’t they have a mirror or a bucket of water? the intuitively understand that it is their face you have capture, and if you are a westerner, they could certainly tell.
O- I was describing anthropological accounts of the 20th century. It has happened. A soul is not a western invention but a natural dualism. Seeing their face reflected in the water’s surface becomes habitual and thus looses mythological significance, but having one’s picture taken is quite different to going to the water’s edge.

— ok. so the color ‘black’ or ‘white’ is imaginary. ??? stop lying, your lies stink.
O- Some cultures lack for example a word for what you call “black”. Instead of, say 32 colors, they recognize only 12. They see what you see, but simply capture their experience in a simpler way. Let me use myself as an example. When I was younger, much younger, my mon got me some Crayons. A box of 6. Yellow, black, red, blue, green, violet, if I remember correctly. My ability to describe the colors of the world where expressively six. An orange, back then, to me was simply “red”, thought latter on, i learn that we could describe, even it’s color, by it’s name. My wife and i went shopping the other day. She pointed to a shirt that she liked and I asked which one, and she said “The fuschia one”. I said, “isn’t that just pink?”

— No, I am not dehumanising anyone, but merely asserting the truth that there is more to human than mere humanity, that to be English is different to being French, a point you deny.
O- What more is there? Whatever your response, it seems unlikely that such point can be objectified. Rather it is trivialized. What is extra to the human condition? Our color, our sex, our nation, our religion, our noses or feet? Pick your divider, I would say, but remember that these dividers are not empirically true, only conceptually consistent.

— Birds which can procreate is a specie. so is fish, so are the elephants. The fact people can procreate only means we are of the same species. But that does not mean races do not exist. You are saying, we are all humans, therefore we do not belong to any race, then how come as a pure stock I look so different to other races?
O- Let’s look first at your claim for “pure” stock. What proof do you have that you are this or that such stock even exist? So you look different. Big deal. I don’t deny that people are differenty from one another, but that what constitutes this diversity is found in the eye of the beholder. For you, the criteria for dividing the “species” lies only skin-deep and thus it strikes one as arbitrary, because in actuality skin is a poor indicator of a subgroup. Skin, if anything, simply reveals the region in which that family has spend much of it’s recent history. It does not reveal a “pure stock”.

— You say we are all men. I say some of us are white men, some of us are black men and some of us are Asian men. It is true that only black men and women can have black babies.
O- Here we go again with this “black”. If you pursue the selection of skin color and maintain a strict breeding program, then perhaps races will emerge. That does not mean that there are Black men or White men, but that there are men who, through selection, have maintained a certain pigmentation of the skin.

— You must look beyond the mere human, into the diversity of nations, colors and races. It important to preserve the identity of human beings. I consider it a sacred duty. All my ancestors belonged to my race, therefore I intend to do the same for my offspring.
O- Why is it important? What detriment can come from ignoring all artificial divisions? What is the problem is saying, when asked what is one’s race, “Human”?

— I am not JUST a human being you idiot! stop degrading me, we are equal you Marxist fanatic!
O- Why do you feel degraded? Because you consider that in being “white” you add some distinction, an enhancement not found in an other, say for example, non-whites?

That pun is awful and I applaud you for it. =D>
Oh the iron-ing!

Bessy

I also have a question for you, what would you do if you found out tomorrow that you were born a man? hhahahahha

You are just a leftist peasant woman incapable of greatness. what are you doing on this forum anyway? why don’t you check the oven temperature, I think your pie is about to burst.

FOR THE ONE MILLIONTH time, the human SPECIE. why don’t you say you love the animal kingdom and that men is just another animal so we are equal to animals, since we are animals, why can’t I mate with animals? what’s wrong with a centuor? god your argument will lead humanity down the slippery slope towards oblivion.

I heard you saying that you are MIXED, therefore you are a race loner, so you can not possibly love a race, since you don’t belong to one.

You mean, such racial awareness, after my country got overrun by asians.

Because I am defending the existence of my people.

A Christian can be an Anglican or a Catholic, so please be more precise, that seems to be pepetual flaw in your reasoning. I do not hate anyone, in fact, I love humanity more than you do, so much so, that I want all the existing races to continue their exclusive existence, I do not wish genocide upon any race.

come clean grandma, have some self-respect. May God forgive you woman.

Obw

now, have you gotten rid of that crossed eyed temptress yet?

Phaedrus

My thoughts exactly, besides, Ben promised to release me after a month, he promised!

aspacia

then please do you bid and just shut up.

omar

No, you address me in such a way because you are a dog, and you know it.

that is judgement for BEGINNERS! you don’t ‘carefully deliberate’ for all repeating situations, you could not have learnt if you are always a beginner ‘carefully deliberating’. do you have learning difficulty by any chance. I am a racial expert, so I don’t need your walking stick.
You’ve obviously learnt yourself stupid, now if you can not see Asian or Black or White, then you are cogntively disabled which I suspect to be the case.

also I never said Asians are better than whites or blacks, that would be PREJUDICE. but merely asserting the obvious that asians, blacks, whites exist. now I don’t know why you are so stupid.

I really think people who can not see races to be cogntively disabled. I know more than you do, I know race exist but you don’t. so that is that. lol I am starting to question your sanity, self-confessed loner.

wrong, intuition is having known the big picture but seeing a vital part of it that reminds it of the big picture. it is not the sixth sense. maybe you are just too stupid to understand.

You have not being indoctrinated, you know it intuitively Who indoctrinated the first Europeans who came into contact with Africans? Did they say, oh look, that’s my distant cousin over there. no they saw a group of people with totally different facial feature and skin tone to their own. you are trying to fool yourself into thinking that you have been indoctrinated while it is only your intuition telling you in all faithfulness that you are looking at a white man when you see George W Bush.

this makes no sense at all.

what’s wrong with you? no one is as ‘white’ as the sun, and no one as ‘black’ as the black hole. what is meant by white or black is the racial group, you can use whatever words you fancy to describe people of different race. this is totally crazy. I am debating on a physical truth, yet people are denying it. so look, the world does not exist, so why don’t you just kill yourself you moron. you are so divorced from society, are you on social security by any chance?

look, I briefly glance at the rest of your post, and I have reached the conclusion that you are crazy. I have a good job, a good social conscience, I am not going to waste my time helping sick people such as yourself.

The fact is, I belonged to the same race as my ancestors, therefore I consider it my sacred duty to propagate my race. I have no relationship with other races except my own, to which my ancestors all belonged to. none of my ancestors are black, so the fate of the blacks have no bearing on me.

You are a stupid liar and you can lie about your stupidity all you want. I have learnt that it is not possible to speak with dogs, and you are a dog. a loner, a trash of society, that is what you are, and I am sorry that you have turned out the way you are, loser.

Bessy

I also have a question for you, what would you do if you found out tomorrow that you were born a man? hhahahahha

You are just a leftist peasant woman incapable of greatness. what are you doing on this forum anyway? why don’t you check the oven temperature, I think your pie is about to burst.

FOR THE ONE MILLIONTH time, the human SPECIE. why don’t you say you love the animal kingdom and that men is just another animal so we are equal to animals, since we are animals, why can’t I mate with animals? what’s wrong with a centuor? god your argument will lead humanity down the slippery slope towards oblivion.

I heard you saying that you are MIXED, therefore you are a race loner, so you can not possibly love a race, since you don’t belong to one.

You mean, such racial awareness, after my country got overrun by asians.

Because I am defending the existence of my people.

A Christian can be an Anglican or a Catholic, so please be more precise, that seems to be pepetual flaw in your reasoning. I do not hate anyone, in fact, I love humanity more than you do, so much so, that I want all the existing races to continue their exclusive existence, I do not wish genocide upon any race.

come clean grandma, have some self-respect. May God forgive you woman.

Obw

now, have you gotten rid of that crossed eyed temptress yet?

Phaedrus

My thoughts exactly, besides, Ben promised to release me after a month, he promised!

aspacia

then please do you bid and just shut up.

omar

No, you address me in such a way because you are a dog, and you know it.

that is judgement for BEGINNERS! you don’t ‘carefully deliberate’ for all repeating situations, you could not have learnt if you are always a beginner ‘carefully deliberating’. do you have learning difficulty by any chance. I am a racial expert, so I don’t need your walking stick.
You’ve obviously learnt yourself stupid, now if you can not see Asian or Black or White, then you are cogntively disabled which I suspect to be the case.

also I never said Asians are better than whites or blacks, that would be PREJUDICE. but merely asserting the obvious that asians, blacks, whites exist. now I don’t know why you are so stupid.

I really think people who can not see races to be cogntively disabled. I know more than you do, I know race exist but you don’t. so that is that. lol I am starting to question your sanity, self-confessed loner.

wrong, intuition is having known the big picture but seeing a vital part of it that reminds it of the big picture. it is not the sixth sense. maybe you are just too stupid to understand.

You have not being indoctrinated, you know it intuitively Who indoctrinated the first Europeans who came into contact with Africans? Did they say, oh look, that’s my distant cousin over there. no they saw a group of people with totally different facial feature and skin tone to their own. you are trying to fool yourself into thinking that you have been indoctrinated while it is only your intuition telling you in all faithfulness that you are looking at a white man when you see George W Bush.

this makes no sense at all.

what’s wrong with you? no one is as ‘white’ as the sun, and no one as ‘black’ as the black hole. what is meant by white or black is the racial group, you can use whatever words you fancy to describe people of different race. this is totally crazy. I am debating on a physical truth, yet people are denying it. so look, the world does not exist, so why don’t you just kill yourself you moron. you are so divorced from society, are you on social security by any chance?

look, I briefly glance at the rest of your post, and I have reached the conclusion that you are crazy. I have a good job, a good social conscience, I am not going to waste my time helping sick people such as yourself.

The fact is, I belonged to the same race as my ancestors, therefore I consider it my sacred duty to propagate my race. I have no relationship with other races except my own, to which my ancestors all belonged to. none of my ancestors are black, so the fate of the blacks have no bearing on me.

You are a stupid liar and you can lie about your stupidity all you want. I have learnt that it is not possible to speak with dogs, and you are a dog. a loner, a trash of society, that is what you are, and I am sorry that you have turned out the way you are, loser.

Adolph,

The only kind of person who answers a question with a question is one who can’t or won’t answer the question.

I am not of a mixed race. My grandmother was a member of the (pathetic and stupid) DAR and I am probably more Aryan than you are. Where do you get your information, POR? From your imagination? You are nothing but a bigot.

big·ot (bĭg’ət)
n.
One who is strongly partial to one’s own group, religion, race, or politics and is intolerant of those who differ.

Bigotry breeds mistrust and hatred. The fact that you aspire to even call yourself Adolph /Himmler - two names synonymous with murder and outrage makes you a heinous individual with no morals. If you don’t think so, let your mind go back to babies crying endlessly and mothers pleading for their lives as they were gased like animals by Nazi trash. Respecting the human race does not make me shallow - but what do you know, little man? You are also highly prejudiced against women which is obvious from your response in telling me to go back to my kitchen and bake a pie. I fear for your lily white soul.

You are not a man. You are a pathetic white scab.

Yes bud, she just wanted me for my body.

Hello Adolf:

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A judgement occurs after a careful deliberation.

— that is judgement for BEGINNERS! you don’t ‘carefully deliberate’ for all repeating situations, you could not have learnt if you are always a beginner ‘carefully deliberating’. do you have learning difficulty by any chance.
O- But you do not even get to the “beginner’s stage”. You say:”An understanding is an intuition, in so far as the understanding is a priori and does not require learning from a posteri.” It is in this sense that I bring the distinction up. I do not deny that we take some things for granted without much deliberation. This is common sense. But if I intuit, when it is raining, that the clouds are grey, this comes from a posteriori, a proposition that is knowable on the basis of experience. An understanding, a judgment, cannot come from a priori, as if given by God.
These intuitions of yours may be said to be immediate and not open to rational/ analytical thought processes. But that cannot reflect an understanding which is the faculty of thinking, reasoning, and acquiring and applying knowledge. An intuition is a priori. An understanding is a posteriori.

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You have the truth, you know the truth not because you actually do, but because you feel that you do

— I really think people who can not see races to be cogntively disabled.
O- I see a varied range of differences within the human race. But just because I note differences in their beliefs, the skin pigmentation, the bone structure, etc, it does not mean that I go about creating “races”.
Noses are a pronounced difference among humans. Two large nosed parents cannot produced a small nosed child. Let us call them, therefore a race. Skin pigmentation is not the only difference in the human race.

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Looking at a person’s face does not inform me of any racial diversity, unless of course, I have been indoctrinated into the categories of “white”, “black” and others. For example, the actual evidence one finds is that by “Black” one mingles together a series of brownish skin colors.

— Did they say, oh look, that’s my distant cousin over there. no they saw a group of people with totally different facial feature and skin tone to their own.
O- That does not mean that this had not occurred before. Long before these Europeans began to classify the people they had found in these strange lands, they had already divided their own groups into races. Even though, as a “race”, Europeans belong to the Caucasoid group along with the Arabs, those Europeans saw there, within their “race”, which you say is “instinctive”, further “races”.
They saw and always have seen, just like me, differences, but what they have not seen is “race”. If races were natural and their recognition a matter of common sense, then a white will count as a white in all societies. But what you find is that the classification for white changes between societies, rendering your claims that this is not a social construct, meaningless.

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These distinction of “Black/White” are effective only as concepts within a linguistic tradition and not because our senses, instinct or unconscious sees actual black people or white people.

— you can use whatever words you fancy to describe people of different race.
O- Then this is a social construct which is dependent on the words I use to describe different people, not different races.

— look, I briefly glance at the rest of your post, and I have reached the conclusion that you are crazy.
Now let me address the bigot. I understand you do not understand me. It comes from your fallacious epistemology. It does not matter what choice you make, at least to me, in who will be your sexual partner. To each his/her own. My object was never to discuss who you fuck or whether you should breed yourself as others do poodles.
It is the mark of poor ranking that the greatest mark you can confer upon a human being is their pigmentation.
You will always have differences. It does not matter if in fifty generations we become less and less recognizable under the pathetic structure of “races”. There will always remain a certain diversity within the human race. But I say that it is most noble to differentiate by the individuals character, his vigor, his strength, valor etc. Select based upon merits.
But, that is simply to have good taste. If you prefer to eat shit, even your own shit, go ahead. I sample life and digest it’s contents. You simply vomit the vile within you, that acid that eats away at your stomach. Your system is weak and perhaps that is why you simply re-masticate your own vomit rather than risk penetration by the world.
I have no problem with your use of race, but only if you keep such garbage from the sight of your betters. I believe that if it was possible, in your love, you would passionately shove up your rear what you claim as “MINE”. It is a strange sight for those like me to see what is beyond possession being claimed by one miserable person as theirs. But it is perhaps this possession is so dependant on your illusion that you defend it with such ferocity.
I consider this particular exchange to be concluded, as for your part, you certainly have closed your mind to reason.

MY FIRST QUESTION IS TO THE OBERFUHRER of the philosophy forum. HAVE YOU READ OMAR’S POST! WHAT INSULT HE SPREW AGAINST ME! did you warn him as you warned me when I got fed up with his lies and self-constructed conceit!

Bessy

Rather, when I answer with a question, it means, that you when asking me the question has failed to take into consideration the importance of my question.

If I am a bigot of my race, then you must be a bigot of humanity. who is a bigger, fatter bigot?

I don’t know about you, but bigotry for me breeds nothing but eternal love and loyalty TO MY OWN PEOPLE!

at least they were not tortured like what the Red Bolshevics did to German prisoners of war. Plus, if you read Hitler’s political statement, you’ll see that he was forgiving of the Jews till the very end, he said that even though Jews caused millions of German children of Aryan desend to be bombed to death, he would prefer the 'true culprits to be brought to account, ableit more humanely’. He was a man of great humility and love and loyalty.

well, that was said under the assumption that you know how to bake a pie.

never you fear, I am a Catholic with a ticket to Heaven guarranteed. In short, I am hero and you are just a house wife without a job.

Obw

Englisch Uber Alles!

see, I told you she was no good. it’s a good thing she only wanted your body, it could have been worse, she could have been after your money, your British citizenship, she could be sleeping with you so she can later on sleep with your best buddies, and by bouncing up and down, she in all her deceitful selfishness goes upwards. I am very familiar with the treachery of women for I study them. Only men with my intellectual caliber can decipher their web of lies and deceit.

Look, if you are ever lost, just follow me, if I am not avaliable, follow the directions given in Mein Kampf, it is our path to salvation.

omar

Good bye omar,

An intuitive understanding is synthetic a priori. HAVE YOU EVER READ KANT! now, how is it I first see a face, I recognise the race? where did I get my experience from? A intuition and understand is not neccesarily exclusive.

I am starting to think you don’t even know where the ‘beginner stage’ is.

we don’t just see experiences as seperate experiences without RELATIONS. have you read on Russel. but anyway, we have the ability of synthetically synthesis our experience into a intuitively coherent whole. so when you see a car, you don’t just see the tire, or windows, but a car. similarly when you see a being, you do not just see the color or shape of nose, but the race which is a unity of the experience.

The reason only race matters is because all my ancestors belonged to my race, so the outcome for other races is of no importance to me.

Again, you are mixing up the biological taxatonmy of race with a social construct using the word race. If George bush were to say he was black man, that that not mean he is one. Because as I have shown earlier, ‘Language does not create experience but it describes experience’ meaning you can call race whatever, a plant a bed, but a race in the objective taxonomical sense means genetic group similarities which is manifested in appearance of the face.

race is not a social construct, but the various definitions of race is just a language game. get it right

has it even occurred to you that I don’t even want to understand you? before you embark upon your ego trip?

The fact that I choose to breed with my race means I love my own people and only I can propagate my people to ensure their continued existence. The reason I will never indulge in sexual intimacy with other races is because I do not wish genocide upon them.