Vegetarianism=Arrogance?

[Rhinoboy]

@TertiaryMindset.!

Yes, this does belong here.

The thought processes that lead someone to become a vegetarian can vary, although the most common is the ‘‘it’s immoral’’ standpoint.

While at first I believed that vegetarians chose to be so was because they believe in equality between animals and us, and thought it counter-productive to this aim to kill and eat the other animals on this planet, but increasingly, I am convinced that a superiority is the cause.

This superiority can be directed toward the fellow man/woman, but, on a more basic level, it is toward the actual animals.

My thinking is this:
A person makes the arguement that to not eat meat is to overcome a natural urge, the to survive at any expense but the expense of one’s own self or survival perogatives(and also any peripheral that can be used to sustain these main two). The arguement for arrogance directed toward the animal occurs here. In the awareness that animals do not make these conscious choices, it developes. Of course this arrogance can be avoided by making no gulf between man and animal, and accepting that man is an animal.

Comments on the validity of this, anyone?

So what your basically saying is that because we can make conscious decisions not to do something that it is our instict to do makes us arrogant? Is the conscious mind not simply a step in our evolution the same as everything else? Seems to me that by demonising our ability to make decisions is a far grosser offense

[TertiaryMindset]

I am saying that it is undeniable that some people do, read all of the post.
As to my position on choice:Go to ‘‘what happens when we die??’’, on the religion section, I cover it all there.

[Pandora]

@TertiaryMindset.!

I hope you are not trying to make the ‘‘it’s only natural’’ arguement, because if you are then you are excusing murderers and rapists too, by proxy.

Now, carnivores = murderers/rapists. Interesting comparison.

I guess that makes me a lecherous murderer in denial. Every time I take a bite out of my juicy, dripping, medium-rare steak I should think about just how much I want to go out there and rape and kill someone. Yeah, that sounds about right.

[TertiaryMindset]

…ugh…you’re going to make me drag this out ain’t ya!?(bear in mind if you just said you ate it cause you like the taste, I’d be fine with it, it’s not the ethic, it’s the arguement I’m interested in)
Ooookaaaay, here we go.
Here is how that arguement is the same as saying that murderers/rapists are o.k :

You say that it is okay to eat meat because it is ‘‘natural’’.
Well, what is also ‘‘natural’’ is procreation.
Procreation in humans is encouraged by a strong desire for sexual gratification by the body. So when a rapist rapes someone he/she can just say this statement and say it’s ‘‘only natural’’ that he/she raped someone.

What is also ‘‘natural’’ is competition, for various things, but that’s not important, eliminating the competition through killing is always a good option in this case, as the dead competitor cannot come back to dispute your dominance.
Murder is an outcome of competition, the dead guy/chick lost, the killer won.
The murderer can just make this statement and say it’s ‘‘only natural’’ that he/she killed someone.

What I am trying to say is this, the human value systems of today transcend what is natural, thus making any arguement of ‘‘it’s only natural’’ redundant in an attempt to justify an action.

(I won’t go into how the current value systems of today are ways of the powerful to assert their dominance over the few, and are perfectly natural ways of winning competition)

and by the way… …

[Pandora]

@TertiaryMindset.!

What I am trying to say is this, the human value systems of today transcend what is natural, thus making any arguement of ‘‘it’s only natural’’ redundant [!!!] in an attempt to justify an action.

Do not be fooled. We have not transcended our nature, we have only repressed it. You cannot ignore it (or call it redundant) because it is still a part of us and it still does affect us, if not consciously, then subconsciously.
(I wouldn’t be surprised if all the Pollyanna-personalities out there are actually closet neurotics).

[TertiaryMindset]

Read the brackets at the end of the last post.

I was saying that in the context of the arguement such a position applies. In that context…