Vegetarianism in Ancient Thought

Generally, vegetarianism may be built on two different attitudes to animals – or on a combination of these attitudes. Either humans should abstain from eating animals because animals and humans are part of the same community, or they should abstain from eating animals because humans are on a higher level than animals, and animals are a source of pollution for humans. Thus a vegetarian diet was not only based on the idea of a unity of soul between humans and animals but could just as well be a means of showing the difference between them and making humans distance themselves from animals and move closer to the gods.
The question of vegetarianism was mainly a question of how to relate to tame animals.

Pythagoreans abstained from fish more than from any other living creature, a question that Plutarch discusses in Moralia, 728C–730F. Several reasons are mentioned.
One possible reason is that it was because the early Pythagoreans considered silence a god-like thing and fish are silent creatures (728E);
another is that Pythagoras was influenced by Egyptian sages, who regarded the sea as unrelated, alien and hostile to humans and its creatures as being impure (729A–C);
and a third possible reason is that Pythagoreans usually tasted flesh only from sacrificed animals, and these animals did not include fish.

Animal flesh was conceived of as making humans spiritually gross, although it made their bodies strong: “It is a fact that the Athenians used to call us Boeotians beef-witted and insensitive and foolish precisely because we stuffed ourselves”, says Plutarch.

To cultivate the brilliance of the human soul, one must not burden the body with improper food, he says -
“When we examine the sun through dank atmosphere and a fog of gross vapours, we do not see it clear and bright, but submerged and misty, with elusive rays. In just the same way, then, when the body is turbulent and surfeited and burdened with improper food, the lustre and light of the soul inevitably come through it blurred and confused, aberrant and inconstant, since the soul lacks the brilliance and intensity to penetrate to the minute and obscure issues of active life.” (Moralia, 995F)

I was discussing with a friend of mine and this is what he said,

“People of a predominant nordic constitution should not be vegetarian because that goes directly against their genetics, and their hunter-gatherer history but its not the case of other ethnicities who have developed in differental environmental pressures and conditions.”

I thought that a reasonable perspective.
Remarks?

For me, when it comes to plants, there is never too much. It’s vital to juice up on a variety of tea, and also eat a variety of veggies and fruits. Seeds and nuts are also good.

So many people believe now that horses are herbivores/ grazers, that their internal organs and body cannot handle meat. This is wrong. They are physically designed to be omnivores and as such their diet supplements include minerals vitamins and protein found in meat. So many owners do not know this about the needed supplements. Horses will founder without a balanced diet for their omnivore system. Now some breeds have developed less need for meat protein while others have not changed. Humans are developing the same way. Some need more , some need less as their ancestral diet dictates. This is true about many omnivores that have adapted to different ecosystems.

There are meat eating horses? :-s

Their body, including teeth, certainly aren’t designed for it. :confused:

Oh but, you are wrong, they have cutting teeth and grinding teeth. When a horse can not grind their teeth grow and so must be floated. They need adequate amounts of graze, dirt and proteins to keep their teeth down. Their intestines and body are designed for meat and vegetable. Do a search on it, you will find some pretty interesting information on it. About 5 years back, I thought the same as you until I met my employers and began studying horses due to me caring for them and their horses enjoying hamburgers before competition and after.

I can believe (an actually knew) that they CAN eat meat and benefit from it, but I still say that their bodies are not designed to hunt down and capture animals… nor is their demeanor.

A horse will starve before even considering eating the chickens 3 feet away.

You are thinking domesticated solitary horses. A herd is different, a wild herd is vastly different. They will hunt down prey or threat and consume it.
I agree that it sounds like bull, it did to me but, research proved otherwise.
You say their body, but, other than a cheetah name a faster animal, look at their hooves, they are nimble and flexible,. They don’t need their mouths for killing, their hooves, speed, agility and herd cooperation make the kill. Serious, start your search with omnivore horses or meat eating horses. Go from there. It is eye opening about domesticating animals and how we change them.

I probably have more doubt in the integrity of what I would find.
I just still can’t image a creature shaped like that as a serious competitor searching for game… no claws, no fangs, no arrangeable joints with which to grab, no aggressive interest…

A Cheetah is in a different league all together, regardless of speed.

The horse’s speed would seem to be entirely an issue of running away, not running after (hence the eyes being situated the way they are). And a horse almost never faces an enemy, but immediately turn to avoid… totally not interested in confrontation with the exception of mating or social concerns.

I agree but, its true. I have no links anymore I just recall the search. Sharp strong hooves strong crushing jaws working in concert. And willing to eat meat killed or dead by other means. The modern horse is not its ancestor. Most horses now are not even kept in herds. Serious James do the research. Look at how they attack when pissed off.

Earl Grey <3

Thanks, that news to me. Never even heard it in any cultural myth that they could be so.

Wild horses were designed to enjoy a cup of earl grey. So I hear. :slight_smile:

Only the Shetlands, Here in the Americas its coffee or cocoa :slight_smile: