Watergate and our world today......

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Its late and I can’t sleep… so, as is my custom,
I just laid in bed and I was just having random thoughts,
and I just happen to think about Watergate…not Watergate
as an historical event, but as an event I lived through…

You can’t imagine the impact Watergate had on us, as a people,
as a culture, politically, socially, philosophically…

and what I most remember about America around that time,
was the moral outrage…how dare a president diminish his office
in such a blatant and outrages manner…

we fast forward to the presidency of IQ45 and what was the difference?

this lack of moral outrage…to note, that the impeachment of Nixon,
was driven by the house of representatives, by the judiciary committee…
and who was in charge of the judiciary committee in 1972? The GOP…
in other words, the republicans were so outraged by the acts of a republican
president that they drove the impeachment case against him…it wasn’t the democrats
that drove Nixon out of office, it was the Republicans…

this minor example shows us what is missing in our day and age…
this lack of moral outrage…when it becomes too much and people
take to the street to protest against injustice and police violence,
like the murders of black people by white police officers… moral outrage
that was understood by the people as being the only way possible to
protest this police brutality… and what did the conservative complain about?

Was there understanding of the moral outrage of the BLM movement?
No, bitter complaints came from right about the alleged violence that was driven
by agents provocateurs… for example in both Seattle and Minneapolis
several instances of violence was instigated by police officers… dressed
as members of the BLM movement…or dressed as ANITFA…
this is not speculation, these are known facts…as several policemen
were fired from their job for such acts of violence that were meant to incriminate
the BLM movement…but what I want to point out is the lack
moral outrage at the violent deaths of black people by the police,
by the right wing…the actual cause of the BLM movement…

and then the attempted overthrow of the U.S. government
on JAN 6, 2021…which was a violent attempt to overthrow
the lawfully elected president of the U.S…and the insane attempt
of the right to equate the two events…make them somehow the same…
the right-wing complete failure to understand the difference between
the two, illustrates the total failure of the right-wing capacity
to hold to, to understand what is moral outrage…like the kind that
drove Nixon out of office… it is very clear to me the difference
between the actions of the presidents Nixon and IQ45 and the attempt
to overthrow the government and the actions of the BLM which
stand on completely different grounds…but that the right-wing
is unable to tell the difference between the two events is what
bothers me most…the failure to have any moral outrage over the
unconstitutional and illegal actions of IQ45 tells me of the
moral bankruptcy of the right-wing today…and the fact that they
can’t tell the moral difference between Jan 6, 2021, IQ45 illegal
actions and the actions of millions of Americans protesting against
police brutality…

the GOP is so lost in conspiracy theories that it has lost any type of
understanding or compassion for the lives of common people…

read what UR, gLOOM write about Covid and notice what the write about,
not about the loss of over 800,000 lives and of the loss of mothers and fathers
and children and grandparents…You don’t see UR or gLOOM ever write
about that massive loss of life…they bitch and moan about insane
conspiracy theories that are not even possible, given the mere
fact that to engaged in a conspiracy as they have laid it out,
take millions of people worldwide to pull off… they have
abandon the reality of people lives, people who hunger and need
clean water and shelter and who have to send their kids to
collages they can’t afford…this engagement with conspiracy theories
have shown us how far out of touch and out of reality the right wing
has gone…the current version of the conservative party has lost
touch with even the basic issues that has driven conservatives
for over a century…or when was the last time that the UR and
gLOOM’s written about traditional fundamental conservative issues like
less taxes, smaller government, or even the cultural wars that
began during the Reagun years and hasn’t abated since…
traditional hot button social issues, like gay rights or legalizing drugs…
their last-ditch social issue has been abortion and how often has
the local conservatives even bitch about that? I can’t even remember…

no, it is all conspiracy theories, all the time…
lacking even the pretense of caring about traditional
conservative issues… small government for example…

and the modern conservative has lost any moral outrage about
the matters that count… people who have lost their jobs,
people who can’t pay their bills, children getting a better education…
and the big issues facing us as a state, as a nation, as a people,
like climate change or pollution or homelessness in America…

where is the moral outrage for people suffering in our modern day and age?

there is none… at least not to the conservative because all they will talk
about is stolen elections as a conspiracy theory and covid as a conspiracy theory…
when a person is lacking any type of compassion or feelings for other people,
there is a word for it… it is called being a “psychopath” best exhibited
by IQ45… and taken up as an example by the republican party as a whole…

I lived through Watergate and have seen moral outrage at the actions of
one president… and today, there is no moral outrage over the
actions over IQ45 and his current attempt to continue his overthrow
of the government…the best political description of the
republican party right now is how the GOP is engaged in
IQ45 slow moving coup attempt…

and where is the moral outrage in the right-wing? who knows
because all they will talk about is the latest conspiracy theory…
usually involving a huge cabal of the wealthy trying to take
over the world via Covid…and stolen elections…get a conservative
to understand the moral outrage over people’s lives being lost
over Covid or how people are suffering and the modern conservative
has nothing to say about that… and that is because they have
lost the sense of moral outrage that drove Watergate and that should
have driven IQ45 out of office… as far as I can tell, the entire GOP
and the TFH party has completely lost their ability to have any sort
of moral outrage over what should be events that create moral outrage…
in other words, the Jan 6 2021, attempt to overthrow the government
should engage people on a moral outrage level… instead, it is dismissed…
denied, a few people taking a stroll in Washington DC… instead of the
moral outrage that should have occurred all over this country…
you know, kinda like what happened in the U.S during Watergate…

Kropotkin

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and what else did the Watergate episode bring us?

the origins of the modern cynicism of the state/government
begins with Watergate…Ronald Raygun’s attack on the state/
government cannot start without Watergate…
And Raygun’s comment about the government isn’t true before Watergate…

“the government isn’t part of the solution, it is part of the problem”

read UR or gLOOM conspiracy theories and know that it was Watergate
that made that possible…

but of more interest to me, and probably me alone, is the complete failure
of the conservative to hold any meaningful understanding of what it means
to be human… read those two, UR and gLOOM, and ask yourself, do they have an
anything to offer me in terms of what it means to be human or in terms
of what is possible for us to reach? UR and gLOOM only offer us
doom and gloom and despair and hate and anger, but do they offer
us hope or a possibility of a future where we are better human beings?

In the world of doom and gloom offered to us by UR and gLOOM,
do you see hope or a chance to escape into something better,
or the possibility of living in a better world? Therein lies the problem
with the doom and gloom of the modern conservative movement…
it can only offer us conspiracy theories… and there is not even
a positive message there in terms of overcoming these
conspiracy theories… the entire message of doom and gloom
offered up by UR and gLOOM, is that we have no escape, and we are doomed
to become pawns of the elites…the entire message of hope that is offered up
by these doom and gloom writers is, “don’t wear a mask” and “don’t get a vaccine”…

that is their “solution” to the problems of today? and how are we to overcome
the real problems that exists in America today? how do we overcome such
issues as climate change or income inequality or over pollution or the
diminishing resources upon which this world relies upon to function…

how does “don’t wear a mask” and “don’t get vaccinated”
answer these vexing questions that should, should get our
full attention…climate change or income inequality isn’t
solved by “not wearing a mask” or “not getting vaccinated”

people are suffering from a lack of income, a lack of resources,
and a lack of answers to solve these real problems of human beings…
and UR and gLOOM offer us nothing in terms of these very real problems
that threaten to overwhelm us…how does a conspiracy theory about
"lasers that can start forest fires and run by Soro’s’’ help us solve
these real problems of human beings?

what does it mean to be human? what are our solutions to the
problems of today and the solutions to the problems of tomorrow,
what hopeful possibilities are offered up by these conspiracy theorists?

none… and that is easy to spot when reading UR and gLOOM…
Do they offer us hope or answers or any possibilities to become
something better than what we are today?

truth be told, these prophets of doom and gloom, offer us nothing
but more doom and gloom… there is no hope or salvation in the world
painted by UR or gLOOM… YOU ARE GOING TO DIE A SLAVE…
that is the entire message of the doom and gloom bunch…

and all that was begun by Watergate… and followed up by
Raygun and his anti-government message…

and where is the hope message that people need to hear to
motivate them to reach higher?

that message was drowned in a bathtub by the GOP…

Kropotkin

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does the “doom and gloom” bunch offer us a coherent, overall, positive message
that allow us some possibilities to become something better than what we are now?

one reads them in despair and with complete misery given with there
is no chance to escape one fate of becoming a slave to the system…
outside of no “wearing a mask” and “don’t get vaccinated”
what the fuck kind of advice is that? where do we find hope
and answers to discover our possibilities within “no mask” and “no vaccine”

what does it take for me to overcome my animal self? what do I need
to do to become human, fully human? or even the Kantian questions,
‘‘what am I to do?" “what should I hope for” "What kind I hope for?’’

does the doom and gloom bunch answer of ‘‘don’t wear a mask’’
or “don’t get vaccinated” answer the fundamental questions
of existence?

‘‘why am I here?’’ ‘‘What is the meaning of existence?’’ ‘‘I am alive,
what am I supposed to do?’’

The doom and gloom bunch can’t answer these basic human questions
of ''what does it means to be human"?

The doom and gloom bunch can only offer us the nihilism of
their “philosophy”… their only message is “YOU ARE GOING TO DIE A SLAVE”
fight back by “not wearing a mask” and “don’t get vaccinated”

what a woeful and pathetic answer to the fundamental questions of
existence…

“what am I to do with my life to give it meaning?”

and the doom and gloom bunch say, “don’t wear a mask” “don’t get vaccinated”

how does that pathetic advice give us meaning or hope or understanding
into what it means to be human?

I can’t say and I’ll bet they can’t say either…

for they are slaves to their biases and prejudices in which they can only
see conspiracy theories and doom and gloom beliefs about
“YOU WILL BECOME A SLAVE”

I want answers to bigger questions… “what am I to do?” “what should I hope for?”
“what should I spend my energy on?” “What does it mean to be human?”

these questions of existence are the questions we should be spending time on,
not on baseless conspiracy theories that have no basis in reality…in which the
only answer is “don’t get vaccinated” and “don’t wear a mask”… how sad that
the doom and gloom bunch can only spew out really stupid answers to
the question, what does it mean to be human?"

Kropotkin

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Right, Peter and this down to earth pronto analogy has been reflected in the simalacrum of post modern thought as per the message inscribed in the medium.

The medium the necessary ingredient : the message, without which the intended narrative of the high ground can not be described within the narrative it’s self.

Incidentally to all: Alan simply conducted an ironic social experiment and that’all. Irony withstanding.

The condition is honestly one where both sides can be taken within the anology, retrospectively out of historical necessity of unfolding events.

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K; to be honest, I have no fucking idea what you just said…

How about an English translation of your post?

Kropotkin

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what is the next step for me personally or us collectively?

and the doom and gloom crowd will say, “don’t wear a mask”
and “don’t get vaccinated” and what exactly does this mean
for becoming who I am or how do I grow as a human being into
becoming a better human being? how do I go from animal to animal/human to
becoming fully human? does the doom and gloom crowd answer these
questions of existence? no, of course not… just “don’t wear a mask”
they say, just “don’t get vaccinated” they say… but how do I become
one with my possibilities? and the doom and gloom crowd has no answers…
what should I be doing? no answers from the doom and gloom crowd outside of,
yep, you guessed it, “don’t wear a mask” and “don’t get vaccinated”

the doom and gloom crowd can only spout nonsense that has no
legitimacy in the modern world of “what does it mean to be human?”
“What can we do to solve such crisis as climate change and income inequality?”

ask them and they will say, “don’t wear a mask” and “don’t get vaccinated”…

ask them to define it further and they will only say,

“YOU WILL BECOME A SLAVE”

OK, but what does that have to do with the vexing questions of
existence?

The doom and gloom crowd has no answers outside of their pre-programmed
message from Faux news and Breitbart and Newsmax…

“don’t wear a mask” and “don’t get vaccinated” but what about the answers
I am seeking? and one will get silence… the silence of a deserted church…
they have no answers outside of … well, you know…

does existence have a point? you certainly wouldn’t know it from
the doom and gloom crowd…

seeking answers to the questions of existence isn’t found within the
doom and gloom crowd…

Kropotkin

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Ok will try again later. Happy happy New Year! from a fellow Minnesotan.( originally)

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Meno:
Ok will try again later. Happy happy New Year! from a fellow Minnesotan.( originally)

K: thank you and the same to you…

Kropotkin

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Having not lived through Watergate there is in my mind no comparison between the eras. Watergate was a blight on the nation and sanctity of the office of the president, however it would be a welcome treat to have endured this all over again instead of the blatant fascist hate and lies coming from Trump and his supporters the past 4 years, proving to be an existential crisis for the country. Aside from that, denying covid and treating it as a “Hoax” contributing to hundreds of thousands of deaths is a recipe for further political chaos and doom for the nation. We essentially have more than enough ingredients to make this country collapse and devolve into absolute chaos and hell. Yet, we nearly had it all, it was all here in our reach, all the advantages and opportunities the world could provide, all the knowledge at our fingertips, and the religious morons threw away this great nation and all the opportunities with it, falling under a spell of propaganda that really dwarves the spell of propaganda that nazis were under in Germany in qty and scope… we just don’t have these maniacs lined up to be in charge to begin their great solution of the liberal genocide that they are surely yearning for once its in their reach.

The psychopaths and maniacs were allowed in to our government en masse when Trump was president as well… exponentially increasing the lies and hate, yet it remains unamplified as it was when the degenerate in Chief was at the helm of his twitter.

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the primary philosophical of our “modern” age has been this,
“what does it mean to be moral/ethical given that there is no god?”

that has been the question of philosophy since Nietzsche… in which
Wittgenstein and Heidegger and even Sartre tried to approach this question
of “what does it mean to be ethical/moral in our modern age?”

so, ask the doom and gloom crowd, “What does it mean to be ethical/moral
in our modern age?” and their answer will be, “don’t wear a mask” and “don’t
get vaccinate” and now exactly does that answer the primary question
of philosophy over these last 200 years… what is the ethical/moral in life?"

or said another way, “How are we to be saved?” and the doom and gloom crowd
will say…

“YOU WILL DIE A SLAVE”…

OK, great, but does that tell us what it means to
be ethical or moral? I think not…

I don’t see any answers of value coming from the doom and gloom crowd…
they have failed to answer the vital questions of existence, like “what does it
mean to be human?” “How are we to be saved?”…

the doom and gloom crowd are simply parroting the message coming
from FAUX news and newsmax…“don’t wear a mask” “don’t be vaccinated”
or “YOU WILL DIE A SLAVE”…

But what about the honest philosopher who asks, “how does one become
moral/ethical given there is no god?”… “what is morality/ethics based upon
if there is no god?” and the doom and gloom crowd have no answers…

and why should we listen to sheep that can only bleat
“don’t wear a mask” and “don’t get vaccinated”
or you ''WILL DIE A SLAVE"…

How do those bleating answers, answer our important questions of existence?

they don’t… and that is why we shouldn’t listen to the doom and gloom
crowd… they cannot tell us what it means to be human nor can they tell
us what our course of actions should be if we are to grow from
being animal to animal/human to finally becoming fully human…

the doom and gloom crowd has no answers for what is really important in
our lives… and that is the answer to the question, “what does it mean to be human?”

Kropotkin

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K: one can trace a direct line from Watergate to Raygun to IQ45…
each step helps make the next step possible…

and the bleating of the sheep, “don’t get vaccinated” “don’t wear a mask”
helps in the creation of the next step as you mentioned, the coming
liberal genocide, which will actually be anybody who doesn’t
“Know” their place… uppity blacks, women who won’t stay barefoot
and pregnant in the kitchen, anybody who doesn’t toe the company line,
that “IQ45 is the messiah” they will get punished for their heresy in not
thinking or saying out loud, “IQ45 is the messiah”…

they complain about the Soviet Union and its insistence
on the complete validity of the “communist truth” and yet,
they fail to see how their own company line is not different
then the Soviet Union upholding the communist line…

each “truth” is enforced upon penalty of being disenfranchised,
as Liz Chaney was disenfranchised because of her failure to
hold "IQ45 is the messiah’'…

the upcoming liberal genocide will come with a possibility of
being saved by the magic words, “IQ45 is the Messiah”…
not with the Christian words of being saved, “Christ is the Messiah”
but with the NEW method of salvation… IQ45 IS THE MESSIAH"…
And all disbelievers will suffer as did those who doubted
the communist words of being saved, “Stalin is the new Messiah”
or was it, "Lenin is the new messiah’'… or perhaps it was,
“Marx is the new Messiah” I see no difference between
the Soviet Union answer to being saved then the GOP answer
to being saved… those without faith, will die…or be
disenfranchised… spending time in prison is the time honored
way to enforce the new message of being saved… see the book
"The Gulag Archipelago…by Solzhenitsyn…

just replace the failure to hold faith in communism with the
failure to hold faith in the messianic message of IQ45…

And we have the modern times version of the Soviet Union…

there is a joke in here… what is the difference between
the GOP and the one-party system of the Soviet Union?

Messiah is spelled differently… Stalin is spelled differently then
TRUMP…

Kropotkin

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and ask yourself, what does the doom and gloom crowd
offer us as answers to the philosophical questions…

in other words, in philosophy, we have levels of distinct and separate
areas of study…epistemology, Aesthetic, metaphysical, political
philosophy, Logic, and ethics…and does the doom and gloom crowd
answer any of those areas of study? No, not at all… in fact,
the doom and gloom crowd denies these areas… for example, with
the use of logic, which is used in science, the doom and gloom crowd
deny science, and thus deny logic…this crowd doesn’t even pretend to
answer questions of metaphysics, or ethics or aesthetics…
the only question of the doom and gloom crowd is,
do you follow the company line that “IQ45 is the messiah”
for the doom and gloom crowd, this is the only question and
answer worth asking… and this question is formed in the
form of the question, “do you believe in mask” “are you vaccinated”
if you won’t wear a mask, or are vaccinated, you are part of the
messianic believers in the divinity of IQ45…
It is no different than the wearing of the fish by the Christian believers…
the symbolism is exactly the same…

ask yourself, “What do I believe in?”… and if the answer is in tribalism,
in nationalism, in IQ45ISM, in white power, if you hold that the future is
best found in the coming liberal genocide, then you too have a faith,
a religion…and your god/messiah is IQ45…

Kropotkin