Self as in separate from matter.Soul is a description of it,yes.
Consciousness is merely a changing transitional experience of the soul (from the in to the out of the moment and vice versa) nothing more.
The in/out of the moment consciousness experience is vibratory.
This is a map of the human pysche, according to Jung. The self stems from the collective, which could be considered immaterial, since it is similar to a giant archaic and primordial thought bubble, containing many things, ideaâs for example.
The unconscious self projects onto the Ego and the Ego becomes the persona.. being conscious is like holding a mirror up and being able to see the unconscious by paying attention to thoughts, desires, ideas etc. It is also where Shadow work stems from.
This is Jung. Jupiter is a Christian.
Junguian notion of collective unconscious, you take it as established fact?
In your dreams maybe, Max.
I know it is. There are certain things that we do not come to, but only they may come to us, in terms of thought.
Creativity, ideaâs, certain preferences and there are more things as well, dreams, symbolism. A lot of art that comes from flow rather than force, is from the collective.
It is why it is best to let go of this thought of being in âcontrolâ because we really arenât, not in the way of controlling our thoughts, we may redirect them and that is a form of control, but ultimately, controlling what enters is not something we can do.
What are you referring to this time, weird one? Arenât you a Christian? Donât you believe in the soul?
The Junguian collective unconscious is much closer to religious than to philosophical thinking, just so you know.
Theology is also apart of philosophy. Theology itself, is pyschology in itâs earliest form, itâs mankind externalizing the inner mind so that they may understand it.
Externalizing the conscious being state, so they may understand their own pysche and itâs relation to the world around them (reality).
The true âGodâ that is everything and nothing, simultaneously, is both absolute and infinite, it is not able to be grasped by our thinking, it has been called many things, Abraxas, god, etc. I refer to it as the Spectator and or Architect, it has no bias and it can appear to anyone as anything or not appear at all.
Regardless of the âbeliefâ in it, matters not, because it is there and it is everything. All the other religious doctrine that forces belief to a man in the sky, is not it, that is man trying to control man.
This is precisely the point where philosophy leaves the room. And then anything we can imagine takes its place.
If you donât logically think that there is something infinite when itâs pretty much proven, or even something bigger than yourself, than I think you may have a problem with ego.
Questioning these things is the very /basis/ of philosophy, so how exactly would it leave the room?
Are you able to comprehend everything that exists? No? Well, I guess philosophy left the room then and you shouldnât attempt to.
It is impossible for a finite mind, to grasp something infinite because it is constantly moving.
That is how context works, you answer the who, what, why, where, when, how⌠and guess what, you now have 6 contextual questions for each answer to all of those.
So now your 6 answers, turn into 36 questions, have fun trying to process the infinite, that is wisdom.
Youâre calling something ungraspable, and then youâre defining it.
Iâm not defining it at all because that is impossible to define everything, I am describing the mechanism of which it works, not the being able to understand it, itself.
Any answer to us that comes, is grasped as an absolute, not the infinite, it is only able to be grasped in that form.
For example, like 1+1 = 2
1 remains, 2 remains, and it keeps going. No one is going to be able to count to infinity, it is not possible.
I respect Jung, but I see the collective unconscious as a metaphor, not as something factual. The conscious experience is unique to every single living individual. Thereâs no such a thing as a mind of the universe.
And what do you define mind as? The brain? If youâre a materialist then you may find trouble in defining it literally.
But I donât need to say much because there are plenty of things that exist, without brains, that are on a level of consciousness.
An idea can come to a conscious individual that they have no control of it coming, they can write it down and project it into reality, that is hardly a metaphor. But if youâd like to explain your thoughts on it, iâm willing to read.
Automated thoughts generated from binary logic programming come to us Artimas.Manual thoughts donât.The Self initiates manual thoughts.
I believe youâre talking about redirection, just in different words. Your âselfâ sounds like the collective.
The self is separate from thoughts whether they are manually generated or automatically generated.
This sounds like genetics or a form of biology. It sounds materialist almost, or like we are machines.
So are you believing there is a 3 body system?
Body >< Soul >< Mind
?
If that is the case, I define the body as the receiver, the soul as the self or collective and the mind as consciousness representing the soul, of which contains also, the ego, which one has the decision to make to be a byproduct of environment fully or to project the self (collective inner) onto their ego/persona for others to see you as, an externalization of the deeper âyouâ, though this might seem like it belongs to us because it may feel in alignment, it truly does not belong to us
Automated thoughts are materialistic and machine related.As I have explained in other posts the binary software for automated thoughts are generated from vibrating matter.The self is separate from vibrating matter but resides within a physical body which picks up electromagnetic energy waves (via the senses) emitted from vibrating matter.Manual thoughts are immaterial.Manual thoughts remain if automated thoughts are stilled.The only way to still automated thoughts is to balance attractive and repulsive electromagnetic force interactions and thus the in and out of the moment consciousness âtogglingâ states experiences.
Still psychological mind movement.
There are 3 separate parts to our make upâŚThe I amâŚThe Self (Soul) âŚThe Physical Body.
