Werklempter on Knowledge

From Ernst Werklempter’s first book - “I Think I Think, But I Know I Know”.

[i]How can we know if we can know? For, if we cannot know, we cannott know that we cannot know.

So we could just stop talking about it.

But if we can know, we might know if we can know or we might not know if we can know. Because we might know but not know what we can know and what we cannot know.

What if we knew but didn’t know that we knew? Would we still know?

Know what I mean?

If you do, then you know, and you know that you know.

If you don’t, then you don’t know, which you at least now know.[/i]

Two thousand years of epistemology in a few sentences.

Breathtaking.

I think I know what he’s talking about, but I wish I really knew…

And I think that me knowing what I think I know is the best that I can ever do.

Werklempter on wishing…

When you wish upon a star, your ass gets burned.

Can I wish for more wishes at least?

That would lead to an infinite progress of wishes. Which would, eventually, looking back, lead to an infinite regress. You can’t have one without the other. Infinity is infinity, after all.

Unless there was a First Wisher. Which Werklempter rejects.

Fine, have it your way then, I know that I know! And I don’t merely think that I think and know.

I know that I know and don’t even have to think about it. What is worth knowing though?

According to two millenia of epistemology, it’s worth knowing that you know. That’s the entire point of epistemology.

That’s good to know, thanks Faust! :smiley:

First Wisher.

Priceless.

Why do we have to either “know” or “not know” without qualification? That’s not epistemology, it’s just ignorance of the way relativism works.

Are you saying that the quoted passage does not constitute epistemology? Have you read W’s “The Anti-Epistemologist?” Or his “Twilight of the Dawn”?

You and W probably agree on this.

I’ve not read any Werklempter, actually . . . but the quoted passage is just a fun sort of play on words - i suppose i won’t venture to make any final judgements about whether it’s actually epistemology in a proper sense or not, but i think it works best (and probably ONLY) as a sort of tounge in cheek commentary on the absurdity that necessarily arises when we try to treat things like knowledge, objectivity, and certainty as all or nothing propositions . . .

No Werklempter, huh?

Pity.

Is it really a pity, or are you posting ironic?

how’s your homegrown?

Homegrown is excellent.

I am a big fan of Werklempter’s. I think he is a genius.

This just remains me of the “I” fallacy in “I think therefore I am”.
Language construct = meaningless.

You’re saying that you find some fault in W’s reasoning? You would be the first that I know of to do so.

not meaningless so much as misinterpreted . . .

He says you can know something, right?
And then he says that you can know that you know something.

Am I supposed to be impressed by the assertion that one can’t do both at once? How can you do do?

There also is mention of instinctual or subconscious knowledge (not knowing that you know) and limits to what you can know (I don’t think there is a limit to knowledge of “facts”) which is just stating the obvious.

What’s the big deal? :-k

That is Werklempter’s point. That it is obvious.

Are you a positionist as well?

W founded the school of thought, in the modern sense.