So, let’s say you encounter someone who thinks he infallibly knows that is True and Real, who says he sees and understands all of ‘life’s’ so called problems, and that the answers are really rather easy, that he can see and understand why every person, including you, is the way they are and why you all do the things you do, and how easy it really is for all of us to being living in true peace and harmony together and who thinks you are in a cult but you don’t know which one.
Your reaction?
How i would react to a cult guru if approached by one. Welp, I’d start feeling him out first thing. The closer and closer i found him to my position (which would be my cult), the more i would like him. The further, the less. You would have two cults colliding that would either attract or repel each other.
So you would see such a person as a cult guru?
Yeah, there’s usually just room for one guru on the Gaddi.
Im sorry to disappoint but nothing you said got to me.
Im just recognizing your trash dodgeball demagogy for what it is.
I make a point. You have no comeback, and instantly start a face saving deflection about me just assuming your arguments. Ofc never clarifying how that would be the case or what your actual argument is, just in typcal sophist fashion use a trash claim to deflect the argument.
I aint playing these games my dude. You want to have a debate, you dont want to have a debate, you want to be honest about your position, or enter a debate forum while having kindergarden angst about protecting your own ego, its all the same to me, but i played too many rounds of these trash games so im not playing.
You were repeatedly prompted to explain how and why that would be the case.
You categorically refused to do so and kept playing dodgeball.
I am not going to account for a fantasy argument you refuse to elaborate on ala “you are totally in the wrong bro because i said so bro”.
So as can be seen, you made a post this long to just yet again formulate no counter argument of any kind, just toss out a word salad vomit about how totally nobody can put their fingers on what do you “AKSHUALLY” mean.
Sorry. Aint got the patience for this kind of ego saving brain damage today.
You have been prompted 4 times to clarify your position and how and why i would be wrong about your position. You choose to dodge it yet again, and the question remains open:
Your statement presupposes that you can differentiate between your truth and the all encompassing truth of reality.
That literally translates to the idea that you know it all, and you are baffled by the idea that other people have a subjective interpretation and impression of reality.
You can choose to answer or not answer, but take your bs circus of sophistry and demagogy somewhere else. I aint got no patience for people who cant even be honest about their own opinion.
You got the main parts of the pattern. Here’s a quick overview of what he’s doing and his sense of self:
I asked him: Are you infallible when it comes to knowing what is True and Real?
Anew1: Yes, and this is just because of the formula I have and the process I use.
My bold on the Yes.
Some other quotes that may shed light on what he is doing:
While discovering these I also came across a formula that, to me, shows what will lead us all into living in peace and harmony together.
I may be a very simple person but seeing and understanding all of ‘life’s’ so called problems, and answers is really rather easy. I can see and understand why every person is the way they are and why they do the things they do.
As long as we are open, and thus not believing nor disbelieving (in) anything, then we are being truly intelligent enough to learn more and absolutely anything, including how easy it really is for all of us to being living in true peace and harmony together.
All of you here are in a cult, but since none of you even recognise which cult that is, you do not even realise that you are in a cult.
You believing that you are not in a cult means that you don’t even recognise which cult you are in. This justifies my assertion. That you don’t even notice that you are in a cult, also justifies my assertion.
One of the hardest things, I think, for human beings to do is show that what is right when others do not and will not believe (in) them.
Correct, but thats not the part that bothers me.
I am willing to listen to anyone claiming themselves “to be” or “an equal” of god(s).
But the obvious question presents itself: What are you basing this on? How would that be the case?
And then and there starts the dodgeball deflection parade of “you are just inferring my position”.
No. Im not. Im taking it at face value.
Had one too many of these “you cant pin my argument down lol” exchanges.
Too many on here are have mercurial beliefs, which should crystallise into something robust when tempered with debate.
But then they say they don’t want to debate.
And then there’s the setting, l mean, a philosophy forum?
Yeah thats kinda the thing that bothers me too.
I am very… passionate… for the lack of a better word about my points and world view, but i have no preexisting biases against anyone and anything. I am willing to hear you out on why you think you are god, why you think child diddling is somehow okay, why adolf was right, why marx is a hero.
We are human and different to such level of extremes that its borderline comedic and insane, but somehow in there there are still bare minimums.
Such as being able to justify your own position rationally.
Otherwise what do you want to even talk about?
And if so, then protecting your own ego should not be the priority. It should be honesty towards your own position and truth.
Thats why i always say: You can call me any name in the book. Any of it. Just make sure that insult of a hyperbole of passion has an argument attached at it’s end because otherwise there is really no point to any of it, and all you are communicating is “halp, im butthurt”.
I can be sympathetic to that, but i really cant comment on it.
Those who claim that know “the Truth” do not debate and choose to deflect every time they are asked to clarify their position.
You state your position, so you are open to criticism. Those that “know the Truth” sit back and throw stones. When you ask them “ok then, what is your position on that topic”, you get a generic response. When you try to bring this generality closer to something concrete, “you are misinterpreting the position”.
Heads you lose, tails I win.
Yeah its a narcissistic self protection function.
Engaging in anything that would question your own supremacy is antithetical to the very way your personality is wired so you are incapable of doing it. I dare say: Even if you wanted to you are incapable of it.
And i dont really have any beef with ppl who run a narcissistic pattern, but then they try to debate, and establish themselves above you, and they cant justify why that would be the case, heck they cant even rationalize their own position.
And thats just nonsensical at the end of the day.
I dont have a personal issue with anew1 either. I dont know the guy, he could be a chill dude for all intents and purposes.
But when it comes to debating your position… it doesnt work.
It really just doesnt. You cant debate while you actually are incapable of debating
“I’m all ears”, as some of you would say.
What is your reaction?
I think the infallibility is a warning sign. But yes, he considers his assertions default true, but other people’s need justification. So, it ends up like chasing a squirrel with salad tongs.
I wasn’t aware that it was meant to. So, I am not disappointed at all. By the way, you could never disappoint me.
Okay.
If this is what you believe is true, then this is perfectly fine and okay with me.
If you are so-called “not playing”, then what is the purpose of responding?
How many ‘repeated prompts’ were there and will you link us to the ‘repeated prompts’
Once again, you are absolutely free to assume and believe whatever you want to.
That you have missed or misunderstood my clarification completely, has absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with you at all, right?
But my statement never ever presupposed that. My statement claimed that. And, I thought very clearly.
LOL, LOL, LOL, if that is what you want to believe is absolutely true, then okay.
But, others have very different perspectives.
LOL, LOL, LOL Here we have another prime example of when one actually believes absolutely what it has presumed to believe to be absolutely true.
This one actually believes that it is I who is baffled, by something that it has made up, without ever considering that it is it who is actually baffled and confused here.
Again, I answered, if you missed or misunderstood my answer, then that is perfectly fine with me.
Now, if you want to still believe and claim that I have not answered some specific question or questions, then just present them again. That is, if you really do want them answered and clarified, for you.
Also, the clearer and more specific your question, then the clearer and more specific can be and will be.
You never ever asked me: What are you basing this on? How would that be the case?
So, it is not me who is what you call, “dodgeball deflection parade”. LOL you have never asked me those questions, nor have even specific what those questions would be in relation to, exactly.
What we have here is another who has and is using APE-thinking. Which is why it is being led so far astray here.
Well this obviously does not include me.
Unless, of course, one can show and prove otherwise.
“If thats what you wanna believe then go right ahead”
I await to see this. So far, to me, you are not showing this at all.
If you can still be insulted by words, then you really do have more learning and growing here.
I don’t do debate.
You may have missed, or misunderstood, this as well.
It does not matter how you chase, or even how much you chase, so far you have not been able to ‘catch up’.
I don’t do these types of beliefs.
Now, if you want to believe that you have asked me those two questions, then just like the readers here to where exactly you have.
I have the same proof for my claim as you have for your claim, but only one claim can be True and Right.