If someone said this to you, or just around you, not even to you, would you be morally in the right to punch them, hard, in the face? It is in steep competition for the dumbest thing I’ve ever read. I am very upset someone is walking about zombie like muttering incoherently meaningless gibberishgoop like this, and it makes me very, very angry. Punch in the face angry.
I am sure some of you will have good arguments why NOT to do this. I would like to hear them, given I can’t think of any myself. Lets explore the morality underlining not punching zombie philosophers hard in the face. Convince me of this greater wisdom of not following through with this impulse.
I am more concerned about your lack of impulse control than anything in that quote
For if that gets you angry how would you react when you really see something dumb
Punch it. Its my failure in embracing Stoicism, still have that impulse to anger. Try all the prescribed tricks, but might punch it if it gets too stupid, before I know what us happening. I’m seriously trying to reform on this.
this mind is its own punishment. It has internal natural consequences.
might be considered a criminal act to hit this person.
people have been exonerated even from the commission of crimes, let alone for making idiotic remarks, for being developmentally disabled. There is a sense in which certain permanent diminished capacities entail kid glove treatment.
it may be a bot
striking them might deaddle their mind - as it could, on occasion, primitive televisions - to a degree that they seem more coherent and suddenly they would be dangerous. At this point the mind is not likely to develop followers. An unluckly blow might increase coherence to where they can run an ashram or a country.
you might have cut to cut exposure during the strike and get the Zima virus
Magnus is wise and emotionally unbalanced minds get pissed off at him for no real reason.
He is simply suggesting to retain the childhood innocence and ethics code without become to jaded and apathetic as an adult, not becoming obsessed with money and personal family other than actual ideals.
There are many things I said in the past that weren’t very wise. This one, however, is perfectly wise, and there is not even any point in trying to defend it (Trixie’s post is spot on, by the way.)
I will just note that there is a difference between my “The Case of [Insert ILP member here]” threads and this kind of threads because this kind of thread has no real purpose other than to spam and to insult for the sake of insulting.
Let’s start with the obvious: Who gets to say what a “zombie philosopher” is? My guess: you.
And, given that it is just an “impulse”, how do you distinguish between the rational elements of the choice and the considerably more problematic subjunctive elements: the parts that revolve around our deep-seated emotional and instinctual reactions. And that’s before we get the subconscious and the unconscious elements.
Hell, I could argue that it is moral to punch an objectivist philosopher hard in the face. But then [alas] I would recognize the extent to which this is rooted largely in dasein and in conflicting goods. And, in terms of consequences, the parts ever embedded in political economy.
Or, instead, is this all just, uh, tongue in cheek?
I suspect Magnus is infected by the Eastern virus. Sounds like he has not been really tested by life; has not been in any real danger, so he doesn’t know his limits yet. Maybe his life is comfortable, so he can entertain these ideas of virtue of innocence and childhood, and complete freedom. I suppose punching him would accelerate the learning process, but maybe he can be reasoned with.
You forgot to say the word Dasein. It isn’t the same sort of annoyance unless you say it. So say it. We all know you want to say it, so one post… Dasein. Go ahead…
1] I have in fact already created a thread so that turd and I can discuss dasein. Either from a philosophical or an existential perspective. This one: viewtopic.php?f=25&t=189516
2] notice how he refuses to actually address the points that I do raise here.
Look, turd is obviously very, very, very well read. He is intelligent and articulate. He knows a whole lot of stuff about a whole lot of things. A hell of a lot more than I do.
And he is truly entertaining to read.
But when the subject gets around to the relationship between human identity, value judgments [in conflict] and political economy, he just wiggles out of a serious and sincere discussion like all the rest of the, uh, objectivists.
And doesn’t he have God on his side? I read that somewhere.
Hell, I could argue that it is moral to punch an objectivist philosopher hard in the face. But then [alas] I would recognize the extent to which this is rooted largely in dasein and in conflicting goods. And, in terms of consequences, the parts ever embedded in political economy.
Also I think that Iambig and James should have a fight where one just screams dasein and the other screams affectance over and over again until one of them decisively wins.
Its Alien Hand Syndrome, I don’t have control over it. I can be in the line at the grocery store, looking at the cover of the National Enquirer, and people are talking behind me… can’t even hear them properly… then Wack Wack Wack… my hand goes Jackie Chan on them. Why? My subconscious mind heard them, and due to AHS, a part of my brain, linked up to the Social Justice section of the brain, laid them out cold.
I had such a hard time walking across Berkeley Campus once, it was like Neo bring attacked by the Agent Smith clones in a park, my arms were flying about like Hindu God, striking stupid left and right. Nobody accepted my apologies. Searle is pretty good at blocking though, I will say that, he knows a thing or two about how the mind works.
One of them can’t be sure if the sky is blue or if that’s just an opinion he may mistakenly hold, and the other thinks he can be certain about everything and does the same old logic games but with new words plugged in where old ones once went in an attempt to convince himself he’s broken philosophical ground be re-labeling things. It would be awesome if they just screamed, “it’s dasein!”, no…“It’s affectance!” at each other over and over again.
Well, you’re a pretty smart guy aside from the obvious indoctrination into a certain set of political beliefs, and never using the contraction, “you’re”. It’s a shame you can’t see past them. I know someone is politically kooky when they start telling me I’m a leftist or a right winger because I’m not really either. Some people are so far on one end of the spectrum that they think people in the middle are extremists. You and Ucc both exemplify that notion. You would live a lot happier life if you didn’t feel such passion toward making the world conform to your beliefs.