Duality
November 18, 2011, 11:20pm
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According to God Speaks, in the evolution of consciousness, before the Soul has any consciousness of anything or itself, there is an infinite, impressionless unconscious tranquil state. Meher Baba calls this state the Eternal Beyond-Beyond State of God (or Paratpar Paramatma), which has no experience of Self, nor of any of its Infinite latent attributes. Latent in this Infinite state is the undifferentiated and unmanifested Everything. Meher Baba says that the state of the man’s consciousness during sound sleep is literally the same original divine sound sleep state of God. Synopsizing this concept in God Speaks biographer Charles Purdom writes, “In the beginningless beginning, in the beyond the beyond, God Is in absolute sound sleep.”[6]
Meher Baba writes that in Everything is also included the Nothing. Latent in Paramatma is the First Urge, which is expressed by the question “Who Am I?”. This First Urge at one finite but unlimited point becomes manifest as the “Om Point” or the “Creation Point.” Through this point the Nothing gradually appears as the shadow of the Everything and this appearance starts expanding ad infinitum. Simultaneously with the manifestation of the First Urge, the infinite Soul, in a tremendous shock, experiences its very first gross impression as it identifies itself with the projected Nothingness. In this experience, the first illusory separation (sense of separate identity) takes place in the undifferentiated. The Soul, still not conscious of its true Self, becomes identified with its projected shadow through this very first impression, thus initiating the illusion of duality.[7] Although this first event of consciousness might be considered to correlate with what is called the “Big Bang,” for Meher Baba the beginning of creation is in fact a beginning in consciousness.[8]
To make this first event more approachable to understanding, Baba gives the metaphor of an Infinite ocean and a drop of that ocean.[9] In this metaphor, Paramatma (a vedantic term, for which Meher Baba says Over-soul would be the closest western equivalent) is likened to an infinite and limitless ocean. Any drop of this ocean (the drop signifying the individuated soul) is the ocean itself, since no differentiation between drops has yet been conceived. If we liken the manifestation of the First Urge as the imagined separation of one drop from the ocean, then the infinite ocean comes to look upon itself through this drop as merely this most finite, most limited drop of the infinite and unlimited ocean. It is important to keep in mind that here Meher Baba is using metaphor and analogy to explain changes in God’s imagination and the development of consciousness and that he is not describing a metaphysical ocean or literal drops in any sense. As Charles Purdom writes, “The ‘ocean’ is a symbol, no more.”[10]
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/God_Speaks
Dan1
November 19, 2011, 3:49am
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I don’t think God used null energies to create reality.
Saying that God became aware of himself then created a vast universe out of nothing,
I agree with Dan~ about the metaphysical speculation part regarding consciousness. “Ocean” is a recurring mythological symbol for the primeval state. In the book of Genesis it is referred to as “without form and void”. Modern cosmology contemplates a primeval state that is an “ocean” of sub-atomic particles that flicker in and out of existence until cosmic inflation results in our local universe.
Duality
November 19, 2011, 10:16pm
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The nothingness is the state of god being “asleep”
The universe wasnt created out of nothing, it was created through God becoming aware of himself. I.e. all the materials already existed but the big bang was triggered through the start of awareness.
This guy stated he was the Avatar. Not saying I believe him but just putting it out there
The Avatar, according to Baba, is a special Perfect Master, the first soul to achieve God-realization. This soul, the original Perfect Master, or the “Ancient One,” never ceases to incarnate. Baba indicated that this particular soul personifies the state of God which in Hinduism is named Vishnu and in Sufism is named Parvardigar, i.e. the sustainer or preserver state of God. According to Meher Baba the Avatar appears on Earth every 700–1400 years and is ‘brought down’ into human form by the five Perfect Masters of the time to aid in the process of moving creation in its never-ending journey toward Godhood. Baba asserted that in other ages this role was fulfilled by Zoroaster, Rama, Krishna, Gautama Buddha, Jesus, and Muhammad.[113]
Baba described the Avatar as “a gauge against which man can measure what he is and what he may become. He trues the standard of human values by interpreting them in terms of divinely human life.”[114]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meher_Baba#Perfect_Masters_and_the_Avatar