Ierrellus
October 6, 2015, 1:23pm
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phyllo:
I still don’t know how you expect it to work.
Somebody steals a car… what do you do about it?
Somebody kills someone … what do you do about it?
Somebody steals my car? I’d want him incarcerated, not killed.
turtle
October 6, 2015, 1:54pm
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there are laws and the justice system…I see a lot of mercy and fairness in my court…it can happen…and the judge is an atheist…
Ierrellus
October 6, 2015, 2:04pm
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The judge, being an atheist, may still have gotten his sense of justice from the Ten Commandments.
phyllo
October 6, 2015, 2:15pm
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And people are killed where you live?
That’s where this is coming from?
turtle
October 6, 2015, 2:17pm
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possible…were the 10 commandments sent by god
phyllo
October 6, 2015, 2:19pm
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Pretty common philosophical concept. Somebody who believes in God will tend to accept it.
You may want to surf the interweb:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Justice
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argument_from_morality
turtle
October 6, 2015, 2:22pm
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philosophy is not religion
phyllo
October 6, 2015, 2:28pm
48
You may want to study a bit of history and the history of philosophy and religion.
The Greek philosophers were talking about the nature of existence, god, justice, morality …
Those ideas then influenced Christianity.
turtle
October 6, 2015, 2:29pm
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phyllo:
You may want to study a bit of history and the history of philosophy and religion.
The Greek philosophers were talking about the nature of existence, god, justice, morality …
Those ideas then influenced Christianity.
those ideas came from some other guys
turtle
October 6, 2015, 2:36pm
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phyllo:
Which means what?
which means none of this stuff is coming from god…it is coming from man…and no women are represented …
turtle
October 6, 2015, 2:39pm
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in my church when someone wants a new thing in the church they sometimes say they were moved by god and they read in the bible what god intends…so it gets action by putting on the god label…the bible and god and the truth
phyllo
October 6, 2015, 2:44pm
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If a philosopher says : “Look at that, it shows the nature of god.”
How is the thing that he is describing not coming from god?
There are only three possibilities :
he is actually saying something about god
he is intentionally making up a fiction about god
he is mistaken in his interpretation of what he sees
You automatically dismiss the first possibility. Why?
turtle
October 6, 2015, 2:50pm
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phyllo:
If a philosopher says : “Look at that, it shows the nature of god.”
How is the thing that he is describing not coming from god?
There are only three possibilities :
he is actually saying something about god
he is intentionally making up a fiction about god
he is mistaken in his interpretation of what he sees
You automatically dismiss the first possibility. Why?
good question…he may believe that it is something about god…but is it…what if I said god is a woman…you would say god is a man…the bible says so…and the bible is the truth
phyllo
October 6, 2015, 2:54pm
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The bible doesn’t say that at all.
God has traditionally been described using masculine terms in Christian scripture and theology. While this has sometimes given rise to the idea that Christians consider God to be male,[citation needed] the majority of Christian denominations (with the notable exception of Mormonism) accept a God who transcends gender.
The first words of the Old Testament are B’reshit bara Elohim — “In the beginning God created.”[4] The verb bara (created) agrees with a subject with a plural, non-gendered noun grammatical gender.[citation needed] Elohim is used to refer to both genders and is plural; it has been used to refer to both Goddess (in 1Ki 11:33), and God (1 Kings 11:31). (sites.google.com/site/yahwehelo … -of-israel ). The masculine gender in Hebrew can be used for objects with no inherent gender, as well as objects with masculine natural gender, and so it is widely used, attributing the masculine gender to most things.[citation needed] However, the noun used for the Spirit of God in Genesis- “Ruach” - is distinctly feminine, as is the verb used to describe Her activity during creation- “rachaph” -translated as “fluttereth”. This verb is used only one other place in the Bible- Deuteronomy 32:11- where it describes the action of a mother eagle towards her nest. The consistent use of feminine nouns and verbs to refer to the Spirit of God in the Torah, as well as the rest of the Jewish Scriptures, indicates that at least this aspect of Elohim was consistently perceived as Feminine. (Sexism is a Sin, by J.R. Hyland).
Genesis 1:26-27 says that the elohim were male and female,[5] and humans were made in their image.[6]
Two of most common phrases in the Tanakh are vayomer Elohim and vayomer YHWH — “and God said”. Again, the verb vayomer (he said) is masculine; it is never vatomer, the feminine of the same verb form. The personal name of God, YHWH, is presented in Exodus 3 as if the Y (Hebrew yod) is the masculine subjective prefix to the verb to be.[citation needed]
In Psalms 89:26 God is referred to as Father. “He shall cry unto me, Thou art my Father, My God, and the rock of my salvation.”[7]
Some literary approaches to the Old Testament have argued that parallels between Biblical stories and earlier Sumerian, Akkadian and Canaanite creation myths show a matriarchal substratum that has been overlaid by a patriarchal approach.[8] “In the Bible, the earth is the feminine complement of God: the two combined to form man, who articulates their relationship, for example, in sacrifice.”[9]
The New Testament also refers to the Holy Spirit in masculine terminology,[vague] most clearly in the Gospel of John 14-16.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gender_of … ristianity
turtle
October 6, 2015, 2:58pm
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in my church he is a father…and if you doubt that you are suspect…these ideas are out there in politics and there are a lot of voters that believe that god is a father and you better believe it…as the world becomes more scary people will cling to these old ideas to a fault…
phyllo
October 6, 2015, 3:01pm
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Back to philosophy. Christianity is full of Platonism.
Neoplatonism was a major influence on Christian theology throughout Late Antiquity and the Middle Ages in the West due to St. Augustine of Hippo, who was influenced by the early Neoplatonists Plotinus and Porphyry, and the works of the Christian writer Dionysius the Pseudo-Areopagite, who was influenced by later Neoplatonists, such as Proclus and Damascius.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neoplaton … ristianity
turtle
October 6, 2015, 3:08pm
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what point are you trying to make phyllo
phyllo
October 6, 2015, 3:11pm
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Philosophy and religion are intimately connected.
turtle
October 6, 2015, 3:21pm
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ok…so philosophers and religious persons have been trying to figure out how to get people to behave…