what is god? a scientific explanation

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there are 3 possibilities of god, namely:

1] dual god: creator are separate from creation

2] non dual god: creator and creation are one.

3] there is no god.

now lets test the possibilities:

the dual god is totally bogus because if something exist separate from creation, then we could find out up till now. science proves beyond any doubt that there is no such god that exist separately from the creation.one such dual god is christian/ Jewish/ Islamic god. there are many reasons, arguments available against dual god. you can search in the internet.

next the possibility that there is no god. but how that is possible? god is the cause of the creation. if you say creation has no cause, then by the same link of logic we can say that you must not have any parent. everything has its cause. but then comes the question what is the cause of god? but this question is totally irrelevant here because here we want to determine who or what is god and not what is the cause of god. so there is a god.

up till now we see that there is a god and that god is not separate from creation/existence.

this leads us to the obvious conclusion which is our second possibility: the god and creation are one. god is misunderstood as creation or world just like rope is misunderstood as snake sometimes. see if we consider god and universe as one and same entity, all the argument and logic of atheists will come to end. all the conflict between science and religion will also come to end because then science can see god’s miracle.

this universe is god. heaven is HIS head. sun and moon are HIS eyes. air is HIS breath. fire is HIS mouth. water is HIS blood. sky is HIS trunk. earth is HIS feet. forests is HIS beard and hairs. every part of HIM has some miracle in it and science proved the miracle in HIS every part. science showed that :

sun has power which is called solar power.

air has power which is called wind energy that drives windmill.

water has power which is called hydroelectricity power.

earth has power which is called geothermal power.

fire has power which is called electricity or fire power.

forest has power which is called medicinal power.

all these elements are part of god that’s why they have power. then definitely god is the universe. this is true god.

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God is a meme.

Unlike most memes, God (the juedo-christian one, btw, only the muslims also call any god just God), has 0 foundations in reality. Well, he has love, but only born-agains really ascribe the meme with this.

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There are three possibilities with regard to God, namely:

  1. You don’t know what you’re talking about

  2. I don’t know what you’re talking about

  3. We don’t know what we’re talking about

Perhaps a definition of what we mean by “god” or “God” would be beneficial.

Take Care

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“God” is a moniker applied to a thing or collection of things people of the Christian religion claim to believe to exist. Many of these Christians claim this thing or collection of things which they call “God” is actually observable to those who maintain there is no God. If that is true, then what Christians call “God” is something that exists in the real world and we all - theists and non-theists alike - are well aware of its existence.

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Do memories exist in the real world?
Do emotions exist in the real world?
Does experience exist in the real world?
Does imagination exist in the real world?
Does friendship exist in the real world?
Does truth exist in the real world?

If I have an “imagination” that creates a “unicorn”.
Is the “unicorn” fabricated or is the “imagination” fabricated.

I would like one person to show me where truth exists in the real world.
Where is the physical location of the truth?
If there is truth then it must exist as a physical entity.
It must exist as a molecule, atom, or subatomic particle.
“The truth is out there!” and so it must exist as a real and physical entity.

It cannot possibly exist as a linguistic fabrication of human consciousness.
Maybe “Truth and Unicorns” are synonyms.

Maybe, just maybe, science is not about explanations.
Maybe, just maybe, science is about relationships.
Maybe, just maybe, science examines “how” X relates to Y rather than what is X and what is Y.
How? What? Why? - which one is scientific and which is not?
… right about now, lay-scientists and lay-philosophers are gathering their illogical thoughts and preparing their objections.

As an illustration,
What is gravity? What is matter? What is energy?
I challenge any person to explain these without discussing how X relates to Y.

I love my wife very much and she is my dearest treasure. But, what is love?
It certainly does not exist in the real world and yet it functions to cause her and I to relate to each other.
She may die, and yet I will still love her; even though she ceases to exist.
Is it possible to love something that does not exist?
Interesting philosophical thought. The object being loved may or may not exist but that love still functions.
A relationship functions and exist independently of the objects existence.

Countries go to war. What is a country? Do countries exist or are they human fabrications?
Last time I checked there was no line in the sand between Canada and the US.
And yet, identities are formed and relationships exist.
The imagined entity – functions - even though it is fabricated by human consciousness.

what is a country? a scientific explanation.
If there is no scientific explanation for a country then pull down your imagined borders as they also do not exist.

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my dear you have asked many questions. i try to give answers to your questions.

what you cannot see cannot be an imagination. you cannot see many historical figures. you may not see your own grandfather. you may have enough documentary evidences about historical figures just like god, will you conclude that these historical figures along with your grandfather does not exist or just unicorn created by imagination?

yes my dear truth exist in this world and you are not far from it. there are 2 possibilities: inside or outside. if truth is not found outside it MUST BE inside you. it is like searching for cellphone in the room while keeping cellphone in my own pocket. such kind of forgetfulness exist in this world. so YOU ARE THE TRUTH. that is why you cannot find truth outside in this world. nobody can.

no truth and unicorn are just opposite.

science is both explanation and relationship. gravity is a kind of power. matter is just existence. energy, i don’t know.

love exist in your mind. again you are looking for it outside and not inside. what is your problem? you seem to have a disease of looking outside rather than inside.

country is a piece of land. country is also an useful human imagination. human creates country and its boundary. this is scientific explanation of country.

my dear go look inside. you are the truth you are looking for. this is scientific explanation.

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There are two possibilities - only if it exists?
My grandfather does not exist. He is no more/less real than a unicorn.
When an apple falls from the tree, the Earth experiences exactly the same force as the apple (different mass implies different acceleration).

A country is no more/less real than a unicorn.
A country is simply a collective agreement of an imaginary concept.
It is an imaginary concept that is useful only because it serves an imaginary purpose.

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What if God is merely a creation of man? Then what would God be?

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Completely false premise for a syllogism. :icon-rolleyes:

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You can live with faith (that there is god) or without. If you live with faith of the goodness of god, in that goodness creation through evolution was a good thing, and that we should survive; and then faith is based in belief.

If faith based belief is not the foundation of evolution, than man as species will not survive.

Lack of faith will, with the advent of scientific indeterminism, knock the sails out of the purposeful process of evolution. It will be it’s death warrant. It will collapse due to basic laws of entropy. Period. Whether God “exists” or not, is another matter. But it would be him Who is behind this process we call life.

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Do you agree that there either is or is not a god?
Do you agree that the existence of a god is not a function of whether or not people live with faith in the goodness of a god?

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Admirable post. But I am curious why you said;
"If faith based belief is not the foundation of evolution, then man as species will not survive. "

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Off the top of my head I can think of one more. God is both immenant and transcendent. Which is none of the above.

How?

could you link to some research that proves this?

But then a snake may also be mistakenly considered a rope. With potentially dire consequences.

I am not sure if you are an atheist naturalist or a pantheist.