I have a feeling that we have a big mystery here. The origin of the universe is not known. The origin of life is not known.
I don’t think we have the marbles to figure this shit out. I am a benign agnostic so be nice to me. I cry easily. turtle
What purpose does it serve by trying to find out?
I think what you are looking for is that there is a reason to the universe and humanity and hopefully other species too( I hope so anyway). But you know turtle I think it really is up to us to make our own reasons. Only life is capable of determining it’s own reasons or maybe other life does this for us. Although if we don’t realize the reasons other life has determined for us though it is a bit unusual they haven’t told us these reasons and I certainly hope their good we need to find a method and means to understand as far as we can what we should be doing.
Though I think it’s actually quite clear and obvious to be as selfless and compassionate as possible. Selflessness means to do as much as you can to make as many others as happy and not suffer as possible. Compassion is to see suffering alleviated as much as possible and to have an inner desire for this. 
I think what you are looking for is that there is a reason to the universe and humanity and hopefully other species too( I hope so anyway). But you know turtle I think it really is up to us to make our own reasons. Only life is capable of determining it’s own reasons or maybe other life does this for us. Although if we don’t realize the reasons other life has determined for us though it is a bit unusual they haven’t told us these reasons and I certainly hope their good we need to find a method and means to understand as far as we can what we should be doing.
Though I think it’s actually quite clear and obvious to be as selfless and compassionate as possible. Selflessness means to do as much as you can to make as many others as happy and not suffer as possible. Compassion is to see suffering alleviated as much as possible and to have an inner desire for this.
When we are saddled with the solutions to the so called problems of life, it’s time to just be still and see the reasoning causing and supporting these claims. How does creationism/evolution factor in here? Only to say that since we no nothing about life, there are those who wish to exploit this huge void by creating/inventing a purpose and declaring that until we understand and live out that purpose we create problems for ourselves.
perfect. … why can’t it just be accepted that way?
Something takes root in the intellect, not in the life. But there’s a whole slew of people that say the intellect and life are interconnected.
Well scientists are trying to figure out the origin of life. They may be able to do it. It may be very helpful to understand the prebiotic molecular evolution. It may help to fully understand the evolution of organisms. It may help alleviate sickness and suffering. This is possible.
I would find it hard to believe that life somehow “establishes” the “Purposes” of existence but turtle don’t think these purposes aren’t valid. I’m not someone who believes there is no “logical” reason to have one belief over another. I think different beliefs can be valid but they have logical reasons to be valid.
Even people who disagree with this act as if they do agree with it. For exp an person individual like that might choose to be selfish. (I’m not). A lot of selfish people often say there is no logical way to have one belief over another. But by choosing one “or” many you are making a “logical” choice. It’s just the logic is different for a selfish person and a not selfish person. A selfish person chooses a belief because he believes it makes him happy. A not selfish person chooses a belief(s) because he believes it makes others and perhaps him happy. Both of these are logical reasons though may not be right or entirely right reasons as in the case of the selfish person.
Why are they logical is the next question? As their based on achieving some end. Only living beings can have ends or goals. Therefore logic in this sense is a product of having goals or aims. And only beings with any intelligence can have such thing. However the rightness of the reasons does not depend on them being logical based on having goals but rather on their consequences.
It is the consequences that fundamentally make having a belief right. Life cant establish purposes for existence though I can see how it might provide a source of “knowledge” of these purposes.
For example you might come across on another planet a tablet which tells you the purposes of existence. This is providing you of knowlegde of it but it doesn’t establish these purposes.
These purposes are the things that are “right” really because of their consequences. They may be logical. Though why we should have them is because their “right” fundamentally because of their consequences.
Only living beings can "determine’ and '“act” on them to be right because only living beings can “recognize” the consequences. To determine a belief to be right is to act on it.
Although Turtle don’t think because life doesn’t establish the logicalness or rightness of values their not valid. You could say a value is more valid because you put effort into it or it is more valid when we see it’s not based on life as we try to “make up” for it.
I actually think it is correct to find out the purposes of existence but it is that I just don’t think we will figure this out by looking to life we have to look within ourselves and see the “consequences” of our actions as they define what beliefs or purposes we should have.
To look within ourselves here is to look to life in the sense that when a person decides murder is wrong it’s because he “sees” how it makes people suffer.
However “why” we decide that’s wrong, those consequences comes “from within”.
Does this source make our beliefs any less right.
I don’t think so as I think happiness and not suffering is an end in itself. So if from within it tells us these things are both right and wrong respectively I think that’s a good source. It’s not the source that matters but the “ends in themselves” to be happy and not to suffer that matter. This is the fundamental source of right and wrong,
I would love to be saddled with all the solutions, but alas, I am mostly saddled with mysteries and questions. But I do have a lot of fun searching for answers.
Creationism is dead. That idea will be left behind. Come on. Get real.
Que? I was joking over semantics.
JONQUIL-------------I love searching these mysteries. Actually the more scientists search the better; we may solve some of our problems without hoping for some divine intervention.
You can believe in science or you can believe in the mystical. The mystery still remains. One uses empiricism and the other metaphysics …. but the goal is the same: some kind of unity with reality.
Finishedman--------Actually you can use both. I do. But when metaphysics(philosophy?) becomes a fairy story that’s when I checkout out of that forum.
to science it should be just fancy but individually the experiential may very well comprise many a personal and non communicable quality.