What is the path forward, politically if not liberalism?

OK, many here hate Liberals and liberalism…
and that’s great, however, they never, ever show
us an alternative… and those who seem to try to make sense
of it, attempt via communism and communism, if one actually
takes the time to read Marx, is an economic system, not a political
system… and that fact alone makes their comments suspect…

and then there are those around here, no names because you know
who you are, hate voting… OK, sports fans, let us take away
liberalism, what are you offering us instead? What political system,
not economic but political system are you suggesting instead?
How are we going to make political decisions?

Not one might suggest a meritocracy…
but then at some point, it still needs someone to make a judgement
about who is ‘‘superior’’ and worthy of being promoted as being
one of the members of the meritocracy… how are we to know or
judge who is worthy of joining the meritocracy? what standards
or values are we going to use?

Now another might suggest that political decisions are made
by a dictator… and we have seen that movie before and it
never ends well, for anyone…

another might suggest we use wealth as a standard for
who rules, out of the last several presidents, starting with
Clinton, onto the IQ45, with the democratic presidents,
Clinton, Obama came from relatively lower middle class
background, with Bush Jr, and IQ45 coming from
very wealthy background… and they would fit
perfectly into a wealth standard for ruling and yet,
they are two of the worse presidents in American history…
Bush lied and people died… and IQ45 has pretty much
cemented his place in history as the worse president in
American history… having wealth is no indication of
ability or being able to rule… they had zero ability
too run America, in fact, they are so incompetent that
they couldn’t run a hot dog stand…

so, how are we to make political judgements given the track
record of the other political systems, dictatorship, oligarchy,
meritocracy, where failures abound…

but let us talk about the elephant in the room which is communism…
what is missed is that the basic element of communism,
the seeking out of a utopia where we have a ‘‘worker class’’
ruling, is that theory is essentially a democracy… because
to function, the ‘‘worker class’’ has to vote on any decisions…
how else would political decisions be made? This is why
Lenin and Stalin choose to overcome any mention as to
a ‘‘worker class’’ because it would mean a democracy
of workers voting on what matters to them… How else
would a communistic state work? A dictatorship, and we return
to the problems inherent in a dictatorship… the assumption
is that the dictator has some competence and ability…
and what we know of dictators, they are not competent
and they have only the ability to practice office politics
and rise to the top of any ruling council … which has nothing to do
with any ability to govern or lead…

Look at objectively, neither Lenin nor Stalin were not very good
leaders… and their objectives were more in line with giving
themselves more power than aiding or helping the citizens of
Russia… hence we see the reason for the collapse of the Soviet
Union, it’s a failure of leadership… and not just Lenin or Stalin,
but every Russian leader since then… and what of Putin?
He has virtually guaranteed that fairly shortly, Russia
will collapse… maybe not today or maybe not tomorrow,
but I say within 2 years Russia will become a failed state…
and what of the leadership problem then?
The one who rises from that mess will surely become
another tin pot dictator with delusions of Grandeur…
pretty much like IQ45…

Anyway, back at the ranch, how do we make political decisions
given we remove liberalism?

I have argued time and time again, that the only path we have
is by voting and by having a democracy… that path is
the path because we need to spread the decisions making
decision as widely as we can… look at America…
it is fundamentally a conservative voting block…
as we haven’t had a true liberal president since FDR…
and the only other true liberal president was the other
Roosevelt… So, maybe, maybe two liberal presidents in over
a 125 year period… (and those who claim Obama was a ‘‘liberal’’
president, I say he wasn’t, he was actually a center right president)

So, the question stands before you… if we end liberalism,
then what replaces it?

Kropotkin

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Marxism and communism.

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MrAuthoritarian:
Marxism and communism.

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K: and this is why I consider you a troll… because which
version of communism do you accept? Marx, Lenin, Stalin,
Trotsky, Gramsci, Zizek! and at its heart, communism is a
another version of a democracy? You have your worker class
that has no other way to make decisions other than by voting…
and by Marxist, what does that look like, exactly look like?
I was expecting you to say something like anything but
radical individualism and by that response, you are excluding
anyone who doesn’t fit in or is a creator, I would include
Artist like Da Vinci, or Picasso, or scientist like Newton
or Einstein… they are totally individualists, anyone who thinks
out of the box, and separate from the crowd, that is ‘‘radical
individualism’’ so, writers like Goethe or Shakespeare would
also be eliminated by your own decree… no radical individualism…
which basic eliminates anyone who doesn’t work for the state…
in fact, I would suggest that your own philosophy isn’t working for
the state and thus subject to your own rules by which you too
would be eliminated… as being an individualist…

One would hope you would actually give some thought to your
beliefs because they are hopelessly vague and pretty useless…

Kropotkin

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