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GOP aims to take tyrannical ‘Don’t Say Gay’ bill national—with even crueler rules than DeSantis’

Rebekah Sager for Daily Kos:
Thursday October 20, 2022 · 2:10 PM PDT
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MIAMI, FLORIDA - MARCH 09: Jennifer Aleman protests in front of Florida State Senator Ileana Garcia’s (FL-R) office after the passage of the Parental Rights in Education bill, dubbed the “Don’t Say Gay” bill by LGBTQ activists on March 09, 2022 in Miami, Florida. The bill passed by the Florida Senate and House would limit what classrooms can teach about sexual orientation and gender identity.

Following in the footsteps of Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis, congressional Republicans are pushing for a bill to make his infamous “Don’t Say Gay” bill national.

The measure would prohibit the use of federal funds “to develop, implement, facilitate, or fund any sexually-oriented program, event, or literature for children under the age of 10,” the bill reads.

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The bill, introduced by Louisiana Rep. Mike Johnson along with 32 other GOP members of Congress, defines sexually oriented materials as “any depiction, description, or simulation of sexual activity, any lewd or lascivious depiction or description of human genitals, or any topic involving gender identity, gender dysphoria, transgenderism, sexual orientation, or related subjects.”

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Johnson calls the bill the “Stop the Sexualization of Children Act” and went on a Twitter tirade explaining it, starting with the disgusting accusation that “The Democrat [sic] Party and their cultural allies are on a crusade to immerse young children in sexual imagery and radical gender ideology at school and in public.”

Johnson then highlights examples of various curricula he takes issue with and cases where “sexually-oriented events” such as drag queen story hours for children were paid for with federal money, and used to “expose children under 10 years of age to sexually explicit material.”

The bill also gives parents and legal guardians the right to “bring a civil action” in federal court if their child is exposed to any outlawed federally funded content “in whole or in part.”

Of course, U.S. kids are not being sexualized, as Johnson and other Republicans claim. In fact, it’s quite the opposite. The Advocate reports that most students in the nation aren’t exposed to or taught about LGBTQ+ issues in school at any point.

A 2021 GLSEN study found that “the majority of students reported that their classes did not teach positive representations of LGBTQ+ history, people, or events, and did not include positive representations of LGBTQ+ topics in sex education.”

“Furthermore, regarding curricular resources, most students did not have access to LGBTQ±inclusive materials and resources, including LGBTQ±related textbooks or other assigned readings, LGBTQ±inclusive content in the curriculum, and LGBTQ±related library resources.”

​​Harvard Cyber Law Clinic instructor Alejandra Caraballo wrote on Twitter that the pretext of the bill is crystal clear:

“I can’t overstate how radical the private right of action portion is. The bill is so broadly defined that a pediatric hospital could be sued for having a pride flag or a medical pamphlet about gender dysphoria. It deputizes anti-LGBTQ bigots to engage in bounty lawsuits.”

Caraballo adds:

Universities, public schools, hospitals, medical clinics, etc. could all be defunded if they host any event discussing LGBTQ people and children could be present. The way they define “sexually oriented material” simply includes anything about LGBTQ people.

Activist and content creator Erin Reed explained on Twitter that the bill actually goes much further than DeSantis’ bill.

She posits that it would ban “any exposure to transgenderism to children under the age of 10.”

“This would fire all trans teachers, Trans workers in hospitals that serve children, counselors, social workers. It defines being trans as ‘sexual.’”

Republicans have not been meek about sharing their intent to pass such laws, either. At current count, at least 12 states have explored legislation that could mimic Florida’s law.

Arjee Restar, assistant professor of epidemiology at the University of Washington, told NPR, “The institutionalization of these bills is an overt form of structural transphobia and homophobia, and it goes against all public health evidence in creating a safe and supportive environment for transgender, nonbinary, queer, gay and lesbian youths and teachers to thrive."

With Democrats in control of the White House and the Senate, the bill would likely never get passed. But the midterms are quickly approaching, with early voting already underway in several states. If you didn’t understand before what was at stake in this election, the Republicans have shown you their hand: trans rights, reproductive rights, affordable health care, the right to marry who you love, and workplace protections are all on the table.

K: and what about actual issues that Americans really need like
affordable health care, cheap medicine, affordable housing, protection from
corporate greed that is driving inflation, and a host of other issues that
deserve attention? Such nonsense from the GOP/MAGA crowd should
be punished at the ballot box…

Kropotkin

Fake News

Total lies - as obvious by anyone paying attention.

Not worth any more retort than that. =;

you obviously don’t have any real retort

And You - obviously - and moronically - HATE your own country. How seriously dumb can a person get.

go ahead and make a substantive reply if you can

Without Extreme fraudulent vote counting - the US is about to seriously reject your global communist agenda.

so if maga loses then it’s rigged?

K: as obsrv is not an American, how can we take him seriously?

Notice that every single pro-trumper on ILP, lives outside of the U.S…
MagsJ is from the UK… UR is from Neverland and Obsrv has no idea where
he is… a very confused bunch… claiming to know more about America than
actual Americans… you know people who have lived here all their lives…
foreign pro-trumpers with all their knowledge of America coming from Faux news…

Kropotkin

It would be interesting to poll the world by some kind of standard census about the ratio of US people acquainted with local US politics with those outside the US.

Would there be an appriceable difference?

There are some informed people internal and external of US birders who are interested by what’s going on in US politics as there are some that are turned off

Political opinions defy boundaries and affiliations.

K: as I noted, the pro-trumpers here, only seem to view the U.S
by what they see on faux news… if Faux news says it, then it must
be true… if anyone else says it, its “fake news”…a remarkable
limited view of America is what they have…

Kropotkin

That is true, but what about the distinction between the foreigners who have interest in what’s going on within US borders as much as those Supporters insides the States that get their motives for interpreting news according to their interest or party line or control ?

The point made was taken that some foreigners are not well informed so they have little real formed correct opinion.

As Trump was pro Russian and says something of foreign interest especially considering the widening Russian-Ukraine war.?.
I was reluctant to go out of the bounds, perhaps of what was intended to limit the discussion of “What we should be talking about” , so if about to aboutYou wish to impose that limit and not bring in the other stuff about international opinion and regional interests , the Russian-Ukraine war etc, then those can be left off, .

But all these concerns may criss across as far as talkin

about implications which factor into the varied express opinions.

Sorry my old phone had to upgrade to the one I am writing on, -the reason for the format .

…I’m just not Left-leaning or Liberal… deal with it!

Right now - because of all that has been going on for the last few years - it is almost a 100% guarantee that if “MAGA” doesn’t win the midterm elections in most - it must be only due to fraud. The 2024 elections are not quite so easy to predict - but very closely so. If any “Democrat”/socialist/communist President is “elected” - it is almost a certainty of being fraudulent (just as the last one). Some US states have made some protections - but some (such as California) have ensured even greater ease of fraud.

American politics is so -so -so obvious to the people who have lived through such political propaganda nonsense. It is like watching moths get suckered into a candle flame. Even those millions of Venezuela and Haitian immigrants to the US know better than to vote for more socialism - when they can see which is which. Socialist/communists depend on lying and deception at every turn.

Fortunately now even Sweden has banned the “Green Party” from their congress - noting that it has all been merely political manipulation and completely out of touch with reality. It is unfortunate for the entire world that it takes so long for people to see who is lying about what and where it will all lead.

In the US I suspect that Kari Lake will make one of the US’s best presidents (even though currently only striving for governor of Arizona - and a sheila). That is visible from outside the US merely because of her obvious honesty.

I am sure that most Chinese people cannot know how deceitful their now “emperor” really is (Xi Jinping). it requires someone outside their realm of propaganda control to see what is really going on. Of course it gets complicated because others lie also - but that is what socialists/communists depend on more than all else - the fact that most people cannot tell who is lying about what.

[list]Democracy dies through the veil of lies.[/list:u]

  • but of course some foreigners to the US are as much media propaganda suck ups as American idiots. Idiots and ignorants are everywhere - some even outside of California and even America.
  • Because Fox News tells them SO MUCH more very obvious truth - despite being hated and maligned by you communists.

Without Fox News - America would have fallen years ago and global communism would already be the new dictate for the entire world (with Xi Jinping as the global emperor).

That is a good post and thought.

…the reason why Liz Truss was outed ousted… coz you can’t take the Lib out of the Dem(ocrat).

How could California just throw away their ballot papers, without any recompense or jail-time? …so not a State/Federal/US-offence by law, then…?

California is socialist - laws don’t apply to state actors.

Same with Washing DC.

So as long as they are on the same side (anti-democratic) - laws are only for other people - the “deplorables”.

They must be as smug-as… how/why does the US tolerate such -selective- law-making.

That’s imprisonment-business, here… treasonous, even. See these are the things that the rest of the world don’t know about America… they’ve stopped that sh*t coming to light.

Apparently they have a long history of experience manipulating people successfully => Smug.

  • two words – “Corrupt Media

Actual democracy absolutely MUST have reasonably honest media. Obviously “they” (the globalists) discovered how to corrupt US media (along with most administration officials and congressmen).

That is what I have been saying for years - O’Biden is a crime family truly treasonous president - compromised by the CCP and protected by the “deep state” (treasonous) globalists.

That is what the Trump witch hunt espionage has been about. He called them out - exposed their treachery. But Mr Trump - like almost all Americans - still cannot believe just how deeply corrupt they are. To them it is like - “nobody could really be THAT corrupt and still work in office”.

People who do not greatly deceive find it hard to believe how greatly others do deceive - and have been for decades (if not centuries).

Unfortunately, where both sides accuse the other of crime being members of crime families, then the media takes up the slack of who is who and attains power that corrupts absolutely at the end of the road
becoming a vicissitudes circle between powe and corruption befitted by the media that carries that message.

I think that is very true and has been the strategy for thousands of years - cause so much doubt in the people that only the media or extreme measures can sway the outcome and achieve supreme power.

Thinking about something James said - eventually it all comes down to control of money, media, and medicine. That is certainly how the CCP sees it.

It is easier to create doubt than to create trust.
It is easier to destroy than to construct.
It is easier to promise hope than to deliver it.

Perhaps the doom of all mankind –
Powerless lazy people do the easy thing - regardless of rational productive sense - and gain power from it.