In the version of the bible I read, god had supposedly banned adam and eve from eating from the tree of life. It was punishment for them not obeying his command. That is why they had to leave the garden of eden.
That would depend upon what a most subtil serpent had to say. Cuz in that situation I would need an informer about what “surely die” means, or anything else, even becoming a god “like us.”
But it is funny that in the story Eve runs straight to the forbidden tree. And she listens to a penis looking thing.
There are stories, going way back, that Eve had sex with the serpent, and that’s where Cain came from. If so, yes, she did run to the forbidden tree, but got sidetracked by sex. That story has happened ad infinitum since then.
And Eve did run to the real tree of life. That comes from sex.
As to the snake of Eden, check the Vatican art or Michal Angelo’s paintings. What you say looks like a penis looks like it has breasts just like a human female.
Thanks DL, I did check out the art. Funny how they depict the serpent as female. I saw one of a snake with a woman’s head. That would be an interesting looking penis. Prolly would go viral on the web. Might make a good G-Spot getter. I’ve never thought of “that head” down there being female. It might mean I’m gay ; a lesbian trapped in a man’s body.
But really, don’t you think the garden story is a children’s story, perchance told around campfires? In the least it’s a Reader’s Digest version of creation.
The tree of life yields fruit from which life continues. You don’t eat one fruit and live eternally. But if you keep eating, you keep living. By Adham and Eve eating of the “Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil”, they caused themselves to become deceived and deceptive, thus their new need to hide. Such deception, especially of oneself, like a secret order causing its own misunderstandings yet governing a nation, causes chaos, confusion, misery and unneeded death. Deceptive governing destroys paradise.
If Ahdam were to have continued eating from the tree of life, the misery in the garden would be eternal. Thus they were driven out and away from the tree that would have kept them alive as an “evil empire”. It is much like the story of Babylon.
So they were told that because they are now living in self-propagating deception, they are to go struggle on their own and produce offspring so that Man can eventually gather an understanding of why they must not think in terms of “Good and Evil” but rather in terms of “What is”, that which formed him in the first place, aka “God”. It is often called being sent to “the school of hard knocks” because you won’t take instructions, aka “have faith”. And that is also why it is said that all are “born in sin”, not because of any sin they enacted, but because of the world of deceit/sin that they were born into.
And then it continues to say that misunderstandings and deception, the “serpent”, will continually plague them and be “biting their heels” and they will continually be crushing the thoughts that guide it, its “head”. Such is the life of those who lust to be a god and don’t follow “what is” and pay careful attention before they grasp for what is not fully within their reach.
Man insists on learning the hard way, dong what doesn’t work first because he is always wanting to grasp more than what is in his reach, “leaping before he looks”. And thus has been the history of Man, stumbling and standing and stumbling again and again, but eventually gaining ground and learning from his own mistakes that could have been avoided all along if he would merely pay more careful attention. But blind lust forbids careful attention.
That is the real definition of the seprent.
Serpent is knowledge thus neither good nor bad.
Omniscience cannot ignore serpent/knowledge but has to challenge and win over it.
And, that is precisely the moral of the story, rest is mere metaphor.
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So, the fact of the matter is that we cannot be wise and noble without knowing bad and evil.
We have to understand and use the knowledge to overcome evil, and that cannot be done by avoiding serpent. Serpent is merely a tool, not the goal itself.
The “Serpent” is the excessive desire to obtain, “lust”, more specifically in this case, the lust to be a god, to control all things, a “God-wannabe”. The manager of Paradise got obsessive about trying to ban all evil (sounds a lot like the US government doesn’t it).
And V, “Us” in that context refers to “Us gods” of whom God was the “god of all gods”.
Yes.
Though, human race can survive without the knowledge of the good and evil, but only in the form of apes, not humans.
[u]If humans want to be God (wise), they have to attain the knowledge of good and evil.
They have to learn to discern and adopt between essential/better and unwarrented desires.
And, the serpent offered that learning to Adam and Eve.
The serpent is not against the God, but an essential part of the system[/u].
Like Adam and Eve, we all are learning in the university of God, which is headed by the dean Seprent.
There is no escape.
Ya got that right. I’m more celibate than priests. Who get sidetracked by little boys.
Truth is in my life I’ve been sidetracked by sex ad infinitum. It took me a long time to learn. I don’t get sidetracked by sex anymore … damn it. So knot-holes in trees are starting to look good. I know tree hugging Is okay. But is Dendrophilia against the law? if it’s not consensual?
