Okey dokey, meanwhile congressional hearings and those who have been to them need more info. Something is certainly happening and answers are deep in the pentagon. What exactly, we don’t know yet. But the videos stand so far, without explanation other than what they seem to be, which aren’t figments of imagination nor is it something man made.
Those absurd hearings were the biggest embarrassment to democracy since Trump.
A couple of cynical manipulative clowns looking for long term book deals, and celebrity appearances managed to bribes government officials and gullible representative to get a platform to spew their conspiracy theories and half baked ideas.
No serious democracy on earth would have given them the time of day. The US ought to be ashamed of itself for that.
The hearings collaborate with video evidence and the hearings consist of people in the pentagon who are making spectacular claims beyond the video evidence. Are you claiming the folks in our military who witnessed and measured these incidents with the tools of US military detection capabilities, as well as all the other claims without video evidence (presented at least), that they are all manipulative clowns? Are they creating the video evidence as well? Its far more than just a “couple of clowns”. Beyond that, commercial aviators feel more welcome to confess their own eyewitness testimony due the gradual breakdown of stigma that I mentioned earlier. They’re all mistaken / clowns? Where’d the video evidence come from, fabricated? Even if it is a conspiracy, something is happening and its interesting to watch play out. If you were to review all the testimony and witness you wouldn’t have mentioned a couple of clowns, so my perspective is you don’t know much about what you’re talking about in this thread, but that is an opportunity for you. Not an opportunity for me however, I’m here to discuss facts with reason and logic, but you aren’t offering reasons that correlate with the evidence. You’re either overlooking it, or ignorant of the vast amount of claims from those who have left the pentagon and gained clearance to a limited degree to speak on the matter without breaking classification rules, as well as video evidence.
America is a laughing stock across the world. People did not think it could get anymore ridiculous after the morons coming out from under their rocks to vote in Trump into office. The man who thinks airports existed in the War of Independence; and who suggested people drink bleach to cure COVID; thinks Windmills kill whales. Now this BS.
Thankfully that hearing may zero impact on reason; fading from memory.
Sure I agree. However, its relative. There are worse nations, you just don’t hear about them. But I wouldn’t put the US Military into that mix though, with an 800 billion dollar yearly budget, its the most powerful “thing” in human existence and where we are as a human race technologically and knowledge wise is usually going to be hidden from us, and with this growth being exponential there is much we don’t know about this behemoth and its capabilities and its intent. If these things are US made then we have very exciting times ahead of us, but if they are, it doesn’t make sense to be “showing” themselves to our own military and commercial aviators, as well as foreign adversaries, considering the capabilities of these things should not be presented in the way they have willy nilly, without reason. At least, without reason from a United States standpoint… unless its something or else or there’s a bigger conspiracy at play. Either way, something is happening.
Sure I agree. However, its relative. There are worse nations, you just don’t hear about them.
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Really ?
So nations you have not heard of are worse than the USA?
So where is your evidence, if you never hear about them?
And yet they struggle to win a goddam war.
They were thrown out of Vietnam by an army whose main mode of transport was bicycles, and they also fucked un on Afghanistan and left there in shame too.
Spending money is one thing, being good at what you do is entirely different.
The U.S. wasn’t fully invested in a war since World War 2. If they fully invested in any way thereon after, it wouldn’t be the case where they would seem to “struggle”, I would garner you likely realize that as well.
The US dropped more bombs on Laos than the combined bombing campaign of all combatants did in Europe in WW2.
The US did not even have the honestly to formally declare war on Laos, and they were not even the enemy.
The US mobilised half a million soldiers for the Vietnam war. And you call that “not fully invested”? 
Fun fact: The US military has the world’s greatest carbon footprint of any single organisation world wide.
No they were not fully invested as they were in World War II. The US was more powerful of a nation during Vietnam, but wars aren’t won by dropping bombs unless they’re nuclear. It was a “secret” war, and to keep it secret it meant not being fully invested in the war, it was CIA action. Sheer numbers of bombs dropped doesn’t simply mean the US was fully invested in the Vietnam war and the war was met with the heaviest resistance by the American people when the secret was out. It was a decent attempt, but not something that was guaranteed a win. The united States post world war II adopted a military strategy and defense budget that was to allow the US to unilaterally engage in 2 wars at the same time and have the capability to win both, the first attempt being reflected in the Korean war which was another half ass attempt to gain victory through having about half their military in reserve to engage in another war, and subsequently Vietnam.
This strategy was well, possible however fighting against a nation fully invested in war while partially being invested yourselves can show the difference between winning and losing. Coupled with minimal support from the American people, and more importantly, mostly resistance from the American people, the US was never fully invested in Vietnam as their capabilities were known.
Vietnam was not a secret war.
Were you born yesterday?
NOT INVESTED??
Estimates range from $400 to $500billion which is close to a Trillon dollars in today’s money.
58,000 KIA
150,000 injured. not counting 1000s of PTSD cases.
Sure A trillion dollars is probably your entire country’s GDP but not Americas.
nbcnews.com/news/world/pres … -rcna28893
"A new initiative is aimed at raising awareness about a dark and often forgotten chapter of U.S. history: the secret bombing of Laos during the Vietnam War.
Nearly half a century later, most Americans — and even many young Laotian Americans — know little about the clandestine, nine-year, CIA-led military campaign informally called the “secret war.”
Unlike the Vietnam War, the secret war is seldom taught in U.S. schools. For Laotian elders, most of whom came to the U.S. as refugees during and after the war, the memories can be too traumatic to revisit. Some take them to the grave.
The mission of the Legacies Library, a project of the Washington, D.C.-based group Legacies of War, is to keep the secret war from being lost to time.
A small team of volunteers has begun compiling educational materials about the war, including documentaries, scholarly research and government documents, and uploading free digital versions online.
They’re just getting started, said Sera Koulabdara, executive director of Legacies of War.
“We’re trying to preserve this history so we can protect the future,” said Koulabdara, who was born in Laos but largely grew up in Ohio. “We wanted to encourage more people to write about it and take interest in their history, including the American public.”
It wasn’t called the secret war for nothing.
The Johnson and Nixon administrations each oversaw U.S. military operations in Laos — technically a neutral country — without informing Congress of the full scale of the American involvement.
U.S. bombers were pummeling communist supply lines on both sides of the Vietnam-Laos border, often with little regard for civilian casualties.
They dropped an estimated 2 million tons of ordnance during the conflict, making Laos, on a per-person basis, the most bombed nation in history.
The Vietnam was was not “secret” though there were aspects of it kept from the US pubic.
… such as, The bombing campaign on the trails used by the Vietnamese in Cambodia and Laos.
You might want to try and reign in your claims a little.
You may want to recheck the claim, that the US was not fully invested in VIetnam. The US wasn’t.