Why UAP's are not man made

[quote=“Ecmandu”]
Sculptor.
You are not special.

duplication

I find it so amusing that you make so much effort to feed your childish obsession

I forgot to add a step in that list -

  • Always blame the enemy of your own guilt
  • such as the post above. :smiley:

How do you figure?

It’s a combination of logical things -

  • Conservation of energy shows no loss or gain from a 3D universe
  • Logically if anything has no affect (no energy transfer) on this universe then it doesn’t exist to this universe
  • Higher dimensions are referring to math constructs - not physical constructs (as is “spacetime warping”)

Those are just what I can think of right now - there could be more. Science fiction feeds the population with fun fantasies to entice, intrigue, and even fund science - just as rumors of UFOs funds military spending and Hollywood.

And just as rumors of Santa Claus keeps Christmas alive in the hearts of children - same thing.

We think it must take some sort of tech to give visible matter the sort of properties quantum matter has; the capacity to be in two spacetimes at once, teleport, shapeshift and so on, but perhaps some life forms have evolved the capacity to do this physiologically, reflexively, instinctively, intuitively, without the aid of tech, and that’s what UFOs may be, animals from this or another planet rather than craft/vehicles/machines/robots.
These animals may not even be sentient.
They could be from a part of our cosmos we’ve yet to see with our telescopes where visible matter has properties similar in some respects to quantum matter.

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Your imagination can create all kinds of excuses to believe - perhaps Santa’s reindeer have a special tech coating on their antlers that allows them to fly.

The universe shows no signs of behaving any differently far away as here (not to mention James’ proof that it could not).

And also note that socialists (especially secular socialists) believe and promote the belief (and the reality) that the peasants are just grown children in need of parenting - so they feel quite free to lie to them just as Christians lie to their children about Santa in order to manipulate them (they accuse). And of course - as always - they accuse the Christians (their enemy) of exactly what they are doing to a far greater degree - noblely lie for the good of the peasants/children to manipulate them - for their own good.

It could be far too small or subtle of an addition to detect.
Furthermore, these things may only be able to stay here for a limited time before heading back to their universe.
We may also be sending stuff to their universe in approximately, or absolutely equal proportion.

If it’s possible in math, it’s most definitely physically possible, not that I’m sure physicality must be bound by math.

Some of yesteryear’s science fiction has become today’s science fact.

UFOs may be proof visible matter, whether from here, another part of our universe or another universe altogether, can behave more like quantum matter.

Real socialism is bottom-up, grassroots, William Jennings Brian or Huey Long style, technocratic socialism isn’t exactly socialism.
We’ve had degrees of both sorts of socialism for over a century.
The left use to be more populist.

So, the military is finally conceding we’re being visited by something with capabilities far exceeding our own.
If close encounters (with whatever these things are) of the 1st and 2nd kind are occurring, are close encounters of the 3rd kind really such a stretch?
I think we should take them seriously, particularly if the reports are being made by rational, stable and as far as we can tell, honest people.

“Quantum matter” refers to the statistical probability of the existence of physical matter - usually applied to a specific location. It’s only relation to any special existence is that it is strictly a mental thing - a calculated probability.

Within less than a century, we went from horse and buggy to launching satellites into outerspace.
Imagine where we may be a century from now, let alone eons.
Imagine how advanced ETs with a million year head start over us may be.
It’s absurd to think we’re it, that our contemporary physics and tech is the pinnacle of all there was, is and ever could be.
That being said, at the risk of sounding overly optimistic, we could just as easily blow ourselves to smithereens before the end of the century too, we almost did several times during the cold war.

What else is government hiding from us about this and related subjects?
Did they discover life on mars?
Or in asteroid/comet/meteor fragments?
We can’t expect them to be forthcoming about this sort of thing.

By quantum matter I mean the behavior of atomic and subatomic particle-waves.

But those “particle-waves” only exist in the statistical sense of the QM language (describing objects as the average energy involved and the probability of where they are located). In the physical real world they are either particles or waves - never both. Sometimes the calculated probabilities display a wave of higher and lower probabilities. Once actually measured or observed the “field collapses” into an actual specific location.

A “quantum field” is a mental construct of the probability of where such averaged amounts of energy will be found - a field of probabilities - again - not an actual physical thing - a map of probabilities.

If an atom falls into a sealed container that is shaken a “quantum field” is produced indicating that the atom has been evenly distributed throughout the container - because the probability of the atom existing at any one location is the same as it is for every other location - a homogeneous distribution - of probabilities.

Once the container is opened and the atom seen - the “quantum field collapses” - because now you know exactly where the atom is and the probability goes to 100% for that location.

That “field” was never a physically real entity. It was/is a mathematical construct. It only really exists in the mind. The QM physicists would say that the atom exists in all of those places inside at the same time - nonsense to people thinking in real physical terms.

That kind of thinking can result in interestingly precise calculations (as long as you are dealing with average occurrences). But if you wanted to know where the atom was before you measured where it was - QM is useless.

Something called Schrodinger’s Cat demonstrates how the QM thinks. The cat being in a box but unknown as to whether alive or dead is said to be both alive AND dead - until the box is opened - then the quantum probabilities collapse and the cat becomes either alive or dead. It is an abuse of the language.

No quantum theories are about reality or extra-dimensional portals. They are about the distribution of probability calculations concerning where something is really located - and an abuse of language along the way in saying that it exists in ALL places at once until it is observed - then it magically becomes whatever was observed. It is their own invented ontology but using the same words as a more real physical ontology.

So people get the idea (taught at university) that things instantly change into whatever is observed - mind over matter - magic - instructed to not question it - just accept it.

I’m far from an expert on quantum physics so from my perspective what you say may be the case, I’ll have to do more studying some time.
Does the difficulty of keeping track of subatomic particles because they’re so small only make it seem as tho their behavior isn’t fully deterministic to the layman or student?
Are some writers on subatomic physics and professors playing up its spookiness to attract attention to it and their works?
That may very well be the case.

It is far more due to their conflation of language.

And to their eventual greater funding.

Or perhaps they merely are trying to keep the more rational explanation more secret. I don’t know that but I do know that political persuasion is a very very very big deal - even in science - especially public science - their are military consequences.

The stigma of the topic is slowly being broken. Interesting times with the developments of the past 2 years. Something is going on and its hard to pin point what exactly, but certainly, something is going on.

Russia China and the US are all spying on one another - of course they have UAP task forces. They are scrutinising those that are trying to spy on them.
MAN MADE spying planes.

WTF?

rubbish

Yes I do

You are nothing,
You have not even cited anything.
It’s all just bollocks.
There are thousands of people with expensive telescopes dedicating their lives with understanding astronomy and watching the skies for CENTURIES now.
Their experience and evidence beats you looking at your phone whilst you are taking a shit as your main research project.

Yes truth is under fragmentation with a plethora of idiotic social media posts, some malicious others just misguided. None of them stand up to any scrutiny.
This sort of stupidity has been going on since the Golden Age of Science Fiction hit the pulp racks. Before then it was ghosts and spiritualism; poltergeists and bogarts.

Nothing is going on.