People think that the existence of pain means (at most) God does not exist, or (at least) the God that exists is an evil god. But Galatians 2:20 explains why bad things happen to good people, or at least saved people…in a nutshell!
PG
Another patient escapes the asylum.
Zardoz prophecy. Spoiler: Maybe God is just another victim of the universe. Maybe he wants us to destroy the universe for Him.
“For the god of this world hath blinded the minds of those who believe not…”
-2 Corinthians 4:4
believe what? Believe that you’re Not Even Wrong?
https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Not_even_wrong
this is a discussion with a schizo at an asylum.
What am i even discussing?
Did Jesus exist? Probably. Did he Neo levitate ascending out of the matrix literally? Probably not.
Is Pain good? Pain bad? People would pay for some VR Pain.
God is a consent violation. The world is a consent violation.
You can’t on one hand praise Jesus and then praise God creating consent violations. Its a direct contradiction of alignment.
The only rational opinion is that God wants us to destroy the universe, and Himself along with it.
Some things are just….true.
Just for shits and giggles. If Jesus on the cross dreamed of being me and suffering what i would suffer before i ever suffered it, either i don’t have freewill or god can be wrong about what he thinks he knows will happen.
Can you explain to me why and how what i say is true? I wanna see if you can figure it out first.
Just for shits and giggles. If Jesus on the cross dreamed of being me and suffering what i would suffer before i ever suffered it, either i don’t have freewill or god can be wrong about what he thinks he knows will happen.
Can you explain to me why and how what i say is true? I wanna see if you can figure it out first.
You don’t have free will. This is even the case if the brain generates consciousness, because every will you have depends upon some neural circuit in your brain luckily having the power, before each will manifests, to create that will. Thus each choice or decision you make depends upon there being, before the fact, a neural circuit that creates that choice. If the neural circuit is not in your brain, you can’t make that choice.
God, being virtually omniscient, can’t be mistaken about what He thinks or believes will happen because in order to be omniscient, external reality must infallibly replicate what you think will happen. If external reality diverges even the slightest iota from what you imagined the future will be, you don’t have omniscience. Therefore if God is omniscient whatever happens is something He knew was going to happen beforehand, and whatever happens has no choice but to happen so as to not upset His foreknowledge.
If you are saved (i.e. at death you will not be sentenced to Hell), there must be an “identical twin-ism” or “doppelgangerism” between you and what you experience and whatever is going on in the mind of Jesus Christ, either as He died upon the Cross or in His mind as His body lied in state in the tomb of Joseph prior to His resurrection.
By Christ dreaming of being you and suffering what you suffered before the fact, your life and experiences are derived not from your brain, but from Christ Himself, as you are His experiential twin by the will of God. Everyone that is saved is an “identical twin” of the fictional characters imagined/dreamt within the mind of Christ, whose dream-identities He assumed prior to each character attaining external, seemingly independent existence outside Christ’s mind.
Paul practically spilled the beans in Galatians 2:20 when He tried to make things as plain as possibly by writing:
“I have been crucified with Christ; I no longer live, but Christ lives in me.”
Which as well as one’s mind, if one is saved, being Christ within one in the form of one’s consciousness, one’s content of consciousness is an identical twin of what Christ experienced beforehand in the form of you within His mind while on the Cross and in Joseph’s tomb.
Sorry for the late response,
PG
How truly bizarre. God creates a world with no freewill so that he may suffer with masochistic pleasure and satisfaction all the preordained pain happening in the shit world he created.
He creates Joe, who he knows will be eaten by an alligator when he’s 26. Then he sits in his room for 26 years, all naked and oiled up, waiting for the big moment when he can experience, as Joe, being eaten by an alligator.
Gotta hand it to ya, though. First christian I’ve come across that doesn’t believe in freewill. Man, this religious nonsense is getting more and more bizarre by the minute.
In any case, I’m impressed. You are the only one I’ve come across who understands that freewill and an omniscient god cannot coexist. Good show, lad:
“whatever happens has no choice but to happen so as to not upset His foreknowledge.”
“waiting for the big moment when he can experience, as Joe, being eaten by an alligator.”
And with all that power, he could even create a world on which there was a perpetual picnic in a big beautiful field underneath a single walnut tree that a happy family of Robins have made a nest in and called home.
I mean, couldn’t he? In your model, he could because there’s no need for evil… because there’s no need to choose… because there’s no freewill.
Your task is to explain why this picnic world was not created instead.
You have ten minutes. If you are finished before the ten minutes ends, wait quietly at your desk. You may pick up your pencils and begin.
How truly bizarre. God creates a world with no freewill so that he may suffer with masochistic pleasure and satisfaction all the preordained pain happening in the shit world he created.
It is bizarre, isn’t it?
As Christ suffered in the Garden of Gethsamane prior to His arrest, conviction, and execution by crucifixion, I doubt He waited to be our sins and negative experiences for us (such that the negative experiences and sins are not original things or ding an sich, but percepts derived from the distal object that is the content in the mind of Jesus as He is crucified) with masochistic pleasure and satisfaction. He even pleaded with God to take this fate away from Him before it happened.
He creates Joe, who he knows will be eaten by an alligator when he’s 26. Then he sits in his room for 26 years, all naked and oiled up, waiting for the big moment when he can experience, as Joe, being eaten by an alligator.
Christ wasn’t sitting alone in a room “naked and oiled up” waiting to be eaten by an alligator in the form of Joe, He was busy suffering other people’s sins and negative experiences in the meantime. Then Joe and the moment of his death just “popped up”.
Gotta hand it to ya, though. First christian I’ve come across that doesn’t believe in freewill. Man, this religious nonsense is getting more and more bizarre by the minute.
A lot of Christians are in either unthinking or deliberate ignorance when it comes to the logical observation that omniscience negates free will. Norman Swartz in his paper: “Free Will and the Question of Determinism” (I think I said that right) introduced a logic equation regarding God, his omniscience, and free will that definitively proves omniscience is incompatible with free will. I’ve never been a fan of free will anyway.
I tackled the contradiction between free will and omniscience in my comic: Pantheopsychic Comics#1, where I argue the damned are damned anyway and cannot be saved in the first place as God foreknew, eons before their birth, they would never become saved or fail their salvation. So there is a sort of unfairness about it.
“waiting for the big moment when he can experience, as Joe, being eaten by an alligator.”
And with all that power, he could even create a world on which there was a perpetual picnic in a big beautiful field underneath a single walnut tree that a happy family of Robins have made a nest in and called home.
I mean, couldn’t he? In your model, he could because there’s no need for evil… because there’s no need to choose… because there’s no freewill.
Your task is to explain why this picnic world was not created instead.
You have ten minutes. If you are finished before the ten minutes ends, wait quietly at your desk. You may pick up your pencils and begin.
God will create a world that is a perpetual picnic in a big beautiful field, as one aspect of that world in the afterlife.
In Christpsychic Comics#5, “Behold…The Sacrificial Timeline!” I explain that, given existence only appears in the form of a person and that which the person experiences, physical matter and energy does not exist and the only matter (that which fills space) that exists is subjective experience. Thus God and everyone else is made up of subjective experience which I call “The Psychic Chaos” as a Berkeleian or Idealistic variant of Greek Mythological Chaos, the mythological substance of which the gods, Titans, the underworld, earth, and everyone else are composed.
Thus the Psychic Chaos is the substance that is behind the existence of God, His powers, His will, His intentions and desires, and…what He does and does not do and what He can and cannot do. Thus God is “virtually omniscient” and more importantly to this response and your question “virtually omnipotent”, as He is limited only to what the Psychic Chaos itself does, and allows Him to do.
The Psychic Chaos, from eternity to eternity, obeys a Super-Determinism in which it flows and behaves in only one possible way. This way determines everything that happens, did happen, and will happen, ultimately for no other reason than that is how, by chance, the Psychic Chaos just happens to behave.
This, I reasoned, explains why sin exists, why the damned exist, and why an evil world with suffering exists when God could have created a sinless Heaven for everyone from the jump. The Psychic Chaos, unfortunately, permeates in a way in which we, including God, must follow along and go “around the mulberry bush” to get to a second, this-time-immutable Heaven through the fire of misery and suffering.
Blame the Substance and what how it helplessly causes us to exists because of the way it is forced to inexorably behave, I say.
The Substance, the Psychic Chaos, forces God to go around the bend rather than in a straight line to create a perfect paradise. Sort of like the movie “Avengers: Infinity War”, where Dr. Strange foresaw that out of 16,000,405 different possibilities, only one is where the heroes defeat Thanos.
Everything good…and bad…that happened in that one possibility (the possibility that played out in the film and its sequel)…was what had to happen to get to the happy result. In that fictional scenario there was no free will allowed to mess things up. In the same way, we have to roll along in our respective ships, including God, helplessly buoyed up and down by the waves of the Psychic Chaos until it finally achieves “… a perpetual picnic in a big beautiful field underneath a single walnut tree that a happy family of Robins have made a nest in and called home”.
Sitting quietly at my desk hoping I performed the task*
PG
I prefer the Zardoz and Gerald Robotnik god-figure, the only one that seems to add up logically. All the other ones seem deranged.
Also, the phenomenal_graffiti figure does not believe in free-will, even though we have insufficient data to know if free-will exists. Humans have not yet figured out quantum yet. Until humans figureout quantum, then free-will remains neither proven nor unproven.
Also i have wondered if our existence is a dream of God, if God is a biological ASI that is made of premium brains, sort of like they mastered VR by using lucid dreaming brains. Because it seems like game graphics have peaked and are going nowhere using conventional RTX chips.
Anyone’s philosophy comes down to just two things:
1.A philosophy based on the things we see with our senses, i.e. that’s right before our eyes, or that we have seen before and remember, or that others have seen and has reported giving visual evidence of their experience.
- Things we believe exist in the external world, which no one has seen and that’s only a matter of faith regardless of whether you’re atheist or Christian or whatever. Most of our philosophy and beliefs are about (2). Everything in this realm is just 50/50 as to their objective truth.
When arguing about whether or not ones (2) is more true than the other person’s, no one has a leg to stand on and the most philosophically honest thing anyone can do is just to agree to disagree. At the end of the day just believe in another person’s (2) does not negate the possibility of that (2) being true as long as that too is logically possible.
That being said, I can’t argue or state definitively that your idea of God as a plural being is true or false, but at the same time neither can you know definitively that y Christpsychic theology is necessarily false.
So we’ll have to just agree to disagree.
The reason for negative experiences is due to genetic decline of society - the rise of the sub-humanity. We live in a dystopian reality where they are given disproportionate power and influence of society.
Everyone has their beliefs and views regarding the nature of the world. This does not negate the existence of whatever it is in the external world that is behind the minds humans have.