''You'll never walk alone" tribalism

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As is known, or not, I am retiring in December…
December 6 to be exact… I have not been subtle or
shy about saying so… I ask virtually every single retire
person who comes into self-checkout, what should I know
about retiring? and I also read every single article I can
find about retirement… and one of things I hear the most
is the need to have/find a sense of purpose, once I retire…

that is why retire people quite often begin to do
volunteer work once they retire… I don’t think I will,
but many people do… this volunteer work helps
them find a sense of purpose in their lives…

Which has gotten me thinking about our own,
non-retirement sense of purpose…
I have already done the raising of my daughter,
she is now 40, so that stage is over…

So, take away work, and for the many young ones here,
take away schooling, and what is your sense of purpose?
do you have a sense of purpose that is outside of our
expected duties, work or school which is a training ground
for work… all an education does is train us for jobs…
nothing more… it has no other value… although it should
be used, schooling, to have a higher purpose which is to
teach us how to be human and what it means to be
human… for 300 years, a university real goal was
to train men to be gentlemen… that was the point of
Oxford or Cambridge… to teach one to be a gentleman…
Which for my money is a far better reason for schooling
than the current use which is, as I mentioned, too be
a jobs training program…

So, think about this… outside of work, or the university,
the work training program, what is your purpose?
do you have some purpose outside of working for the
rest of your life? and if so, what is it? I have study
philosophy for over 40 years… and seriously for
the last 10 or 15 years now… so, what is
our, both collectively and individually, what is our
purpose?

For that is the second brick in the wall, we have a
collective purpose, what is that? As I always ask,
what am I/we supposed to do? That question is tied
into our individual and collective purpose…
What actions give us some purpose in life?
Collectively and individually…

Part of the malaise we suffer from today, comes from this
distinct lack of purpose that we have, either individually or
collectively… Nobody knows what to do…
or why they should act, with purpose, in a collective
way…

For it isn’t enough to say, I am going to be, or I am a
teacher or a farmworker or a grocery checker, we must also,
have some purpose behind being these things… and how
does our individual sense of purpose, fit into our
collective sense of purpose…

let us rethink this idea in terms of another popular viewpoint,
that of tribes… human beings are tribal… we have spent
a million years of pre-history being tribal… and today,
we are, as we have always been tribal…
a tribe can be a family, a work experience, our job…
(work is a very tribal experience) as is sports,
choosing our own team is part of the tribal experience,
Being from Chicago, I love the Cubs, and being a northsider,
don’t like the White Sox… having lived in the Bay Area since
1973, I love virtually all the Bay Area sports teams,
with the SF Giants being my favorite… but that is
part of the tribal experience… Uniting with others to
root on our favorite sports teams… that is the
essence of tribalism…
and the Giants team to hate/rivals is the LA Dodgers…
I disliked them even when I lived in the Midwest…
Tribalism is just another means/ways of expressing
our sense of purpose… for we find purpose within
our tribalism… the US vs THEM mentality that is
so common in our day and age… which is another
way of creating purpose…
an excellent example of this creating purpose lies with
the Liverpool Football club… the anthem of
‘‘You’ll never walk alone’’ is an essential aspect of the
Liverpool club/fan base…

and other example abound in terms of creating a sense
of purpose within our state/society… the idea of
nationality is one such means… a shared collective
bonding over nation is as tribal as any other experience
we can think of…

So, purpose… where do we find it and how does
it impact us?

Kropotkin

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One purpose might be, not causing total extinction from chemicals.

https://rumble.com/v6wn306-sudden-floods-everywhereis-weather-is-being-weaponized.html?e9s=rel_v2_ep

Humans are the most war-like species on earth, except when it comes to saving themselves, they won’t lift a finger.

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As you are one of the most clueless people
around here, I rarely ever engage with you, however
you have reached a new low point here, missing my
point…

Basic survival is written into our DNA by evolution…
as with all life… having survival as a point of purpose
is not a question… it has already been answered…
all life engages with survival… but what lies beyond
basic survival?

I recognize that it’s hard for you to go beyond your
set parameters… but maybe, for once, try…
What creates purpose for us humans, besides,
besides basic survival which is hard wired into
every living being…

Kropotkin

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I actually wish I didn’t have to work at all. Fifty hours a week is brutal and while my family is provided for due to my diligence it doesn’t allow for a lot of downtime for myself. Thankfully I get three weeks paid vacation every year, but if I didn’t have to work I wouldn’t. I could think of plenty of things to occupy my time with if I didn’t have to work.

I honestly don’t think there is going to be any social security or retirement for my generation in our elder senior years. I have a 401K but it is almost nothing concerning a retirement savings. I probably put $1200.00 into it yearly.

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I’d be there too if luck had me fall into the wrong trade after dropping out of high school. Fortunately, i picked a trade that i could employ myself through and one that didn’t tie me down to one area, one office, one plant, one factory, etc.

Yessir, of all my unsavory attributes, the one thing that has been steady, wholesome, and enduring throughout has been my work and my work ethic.

In fact, I’d be in the mountains right now, building cabins or something in 75-degree weather if i was able to move freely without being imprisoned. That’s the joy of carpentry. It’s everywhere.

The downside is it’ll use you up and burn you out. I’ve got permanent elbow joint pain already from eons of swinging a hammer. Where will i be in ten years. A gas station clerk with osteoarthritis hunched over a cash register?

None of this would have happened had the 40 hour work week not been customary or normal. It is because if capitalists. They pushed it up so their purposely low paid workers will have to work longer (what with all the other capitalists charging you outrageous rent, selling you overpriced cars, useless insurance, preserved food, brand name clothing, etc).

Always remember: ignorance of the dialectical laws of materialism is no excuse. If you are a capitalist, you are an evolutionary dead end without a host to continue you on.

Show them no mercy, Mr. A. The age of aksing questions first is over. If they didn’t get the memo, hate it for em.

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spiritual exercises… and asceticism… are a form
of thinking about purpose… asceticism is a form
of a spiritual exercise… we tend to think of asceticism
as a bodily experience, but the point is to ‘‘retrain’’
the spirit via the body…

Asceticism: severe self-discipline and avoidance of
all forms of indulgences, typically for religious purposes…

the word Asceticism, comes from the Greek word,
askeo…to exercise or to train… the practice of
of the denial of physical or psychological desires
in order to attain a spiritual ideal or goal…
but what does asceticism have to do with the
finding of purpose?

We in the west, especially in the west,
have too much baggage… mentally, physically,
emotionally, psychologically… we have too much
baggage in our head… we hold onto the past with
the passion of a dog holding onto a bone…

The isms we have, both religious and secular,
are holding us down, weighing us down…
we hold onto isms like capitalism, again like
a dog holding onto a bone… holding onto
capitalism is like holding onto poison… it might
not kill us today, but hold it long enough, and it
will kill us both, individually and collectively…
We should be engaged in what comes next,
what comes after capitalism… for we change
our economic systems quite frequenly…
we have had multiple economic systems in
short history… the longest lasting economic
system was the hunter-gatherer system, which
lasted roughly about a million years… then came
the pastoral economic system, then a variety of
economic systems including the dominant economic
system of the Middle Ages Feudalism, which lasted for over
a thousand years… and was in place in Russia until 1860…
other economic systems include Mercantilism, Socialism,
Capitalism, Communism, (communism is an economic system,
not a political system, which is why it failed in the Soviet Union)
and other economic systems such as Autarky…

So, I ask, what is the next economic system after capitalism?

It must be a system that, in some fashion, offers us purpose,
meaning and hope… just as an political system must
offer us purpose, meaning and hope…

So, where do we look for an economic system that can
give us all these things, without the harmful effects of
the nihilism of capitalism or of communism?

Kropotkin

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Funny because its everyone here that views your philosophy as pointless drivel.

Everywhere i always see someone complaining about it.

And when I try to save your species all you have to give me in return is an insult? And have the audacity to say I’m low?

Keep trying i’m sure you’ll get the Nobel someday…

Your thread is nothing more than some drivel a therapist would say in a Group Therapy session.

“Okay kids, let’s talk about purpose!” Yeah, big philosophy. You are the most groundbreaking philosopher here

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the irony is that its people like you weighing me down

i have to deal with overly toxic and confrontational “individuals” such as yourself for no reason. This is what modern “philosophy” has become. A bunch of arrogant malignant narcissists spouting drivel and attacking people for no reason.

As if my post wasn’t “profound” enough for your thread, not worthy of your Intellectually Groundbreaking Philosophy thread about “purpose”, which sounds like something directly copy pasted from some group therapy session for young adults.

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Mate, we can’t just depend on nature to turn us into Futurani. We’re gonna have to do some gene stuff and then give couples the option to have Futurani childrens if they want. You can’t force them to.

And when we do that, we’re gonna have to have Futurani bathrooms and dorms and locker rooms and all that shit.

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The next system they plan on unleashing but will nonetheless fail spectacularly is transhumanist technocracy.

They have gotten to the point they don’t care about human beings whatsoever where now the goal is simply to replace everybody with computers, machines, and robotics.

I don’t think it will work out, we will just have to wait and see to find out.

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The very gay homosexual version of BladeRunner? That sounds like a very scary prospect.

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yes thats exactly what i said in the first place.

we must create futarani in a lab

and i have no way yet to ascend any adult to transform into a Futarani, they have to have those genetics early on. Futarani is more about ascending future civilizations, the people already here are kind of doomed

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the point where at as a society, people are even against creating cis babies with beautiful, smart and healthy genetics. People are against genetic editing of any kind. People want doom and gloom. You see how he responded to me when I tried to save his species from extinction.

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I’ve tried all kinds of schooling, tried nursing school, tried truck driving school, tried applying for culinary arts school, and even tried becoming an electrician at one point. In the end I landed in agriculture where I have been there ever since. My current gig isn’t so terrible, I am basically low level management at my workplace. Got a personal office desk room and everything.

I basically work at a corporate version of Mosanto.

When capitalism finally does collapse inside the United States here it’s going to be wild man. Huge swathes of the population will become socialist overnight, it will be either that or massive death and starvation everywhere.

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Fine. I’ll do it as long as i get a huge cock in addition to a vagina. Also, my vagina will remain nonfunctional because i will never want to use it. I’m already fucked. I don’t need anymore.

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That sounds a lot like fucking oneself, but why?

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You’ll know you’re getting the point if you’re losing and you’re still having fun.

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That sounds like some sort of religious mumbo jumbo coming from you, what do the tea leaves have to say? One can never get any clear sense of communication from you.

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The point is for everyone to have fun together. That means nobody’s gonna cheat except if all the people think that’s fun — otherwise they’re all gonna be playing by the same rules with the overall point of having fun — so that means that even if they’re losing, they’re having fun.

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Your face is a bunch of mumbo jumbo.

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