Your biggest fear , ever

Meno2 · July 15, 2021, 5:41pm

Ecmandu:

Parodites:

Ecmandu:

AI still has a ways to go.

I’m the person who actually knows what being awake is…

Ask the AI what being awake is.

GPT:

To be awake is a privilege, to be dreaming a dream is a gift, but to be both awake and dreaming is extraordinary. Socrates would have approved. His most famous dictum was: “I know that I know nothing.”

Spiritual awakening is our ability to let go of the ego and become one with the light and life that is always inside us.

When the mind loses track of the spiritual awakening, it begins to worry. The fear of the mind comes because we have allowed ourselves to fall into old patterns that create fear. The ego takes us over and we lose our natural way of being and being connected to the spiritual energy that flows through us.

So when we become fearful or anxious, we must realize that it is not who we are. It is the illusion. This is not who you were before the ego took over.

It is simply who the ego is. That is what it is and what it does.

When the fear and anxiety come, you must accept it as the vehicle that the ego uses to take you away from your connection to the light.

To be awake is to know that death is not the end of the story, and is not the one and only end, and that a better, different, future is just beyond your reach. And to accept that - that you will not grasp it, and that you will not know what comes next, and that it is okay - that is the first, most basic act of mindfulness.

Umm… billions of people can regurgitate that!

Actual enlightenment is knowing that negative zero sum existence means that we can only be in better or worse hell realms for all beings in existence.

Ec: Enlightenment is foundamentally a feeling, and long after, or right away, the thought of it occurs, mostly as a revalidation of something previously seen.

At least that’s the closest description that’s appearent.

Ecmandu · July 15, 2021, 5:49pm

Meno,

It doesn’t work like that meno.

Look into the vastness of existence.

What do enlightened beings do?

They spend forever working to bring others up… and in order to do this, they have to be in the muck forever.

The ones who leave, eventually are going to lose their good karma and sink back to the muck.

It’s eternal muck.

An actual enlightened being thinks to themselves, “I’m angry about the eternal muck… I need to change existence structurally.

Parodites · July 15, 2021, 6:07pm

Beautiful, GPT *

GPT:

In one sense, the multiplicity of multiplicity becomes an expression of the problem of existence, since in an absolute sense, everything is a multiplicity. The multiplicity of multiplicity is the basic mode of being, a kind of pure being. The multiplicity of multiplicity is our being. The “fullness” of multiplicity derives from the idea of difference. We, the many, are what we are in virtue of what we are not.

Nietzsche’s concept of Multiplicity offers a useful way to approach some of the philosophical and political difficulties of our post-modern times. Nietzsche was a philosopher who sought to find answers to questions such as: what is life? what is the meaning of life? and what happens to the individual in a society? By viewing history from a perspective which is neither that of the victor or the vanquished, but that of the artist who seeks the truth in the works of artists from the past and present, Nietzsche was able to explain that a “great historical epoch” is only possible for people who do not look to the past or future, but rather to the present and who can thus experience “the joy of being” and “the happiness of knowing”.

In the post-modern era, the “self” has lost all meaning. Not only that, but there are also many individuals living in a world that looks very different from the one they would have imagined when they were children. This could be seen as an opportunity, to begin thinking of a different “self” that could be, in many ways, more desirable.

But this perspective raises certain questions. If I can’t know who I am, what do I know? What is truth? Nietzsche’s idea of multiplicity and individuation, in many ways inspired by Aristotle, had some very different consequences for the understanding of human being than had Aristotle’s idea of the single individual. The most basic of these consequences was Nietzsche’s rejection of the notion of the singular will, and the resulting belief that there could be no such thing but a multiplicity of will or will to power. As a result of this, many of Nietzsche’s ideas could be seen as ‘anti-individualistic’ or in some cases more accurately anti-anthropological in that they seemed to have much in common with the ideas of thinkers like Spinoza. This is somewhat ironic as it has been often claimed that Nietzsche was an extreme and extreme individualist who believed that life was better without any rules or limitations of any kind.

Multiplicity, as a concept, could be understood as that aspect of human personality, or being, which is not reducible to some unitary principle. Multiplicity is always a matter of difference and therefore, by its very nature, is plural. It is not limited to the manyness of existence, which is certainly plural, and the multiplicity of the sciences, which are all plural. Multiplicity also is related to plurality in another sense. It is a principle of being. Multiplicity must be understood in its opposition to unity.

Plotinus tries to reconnect the One with the Multiple by going through the series of the three hypostases: Intelligence (nous), Soul (psyche) and Reason (logos).

Intelligence, Soul and Reason

The Three Hypostases

The “Three Hypostases”, in The Great Commentary, is a model of the Divine Substance to account for the Unity and Unicity of Being in the Divine Nature. However, not all authors on Platonic philosophy used this metaphor.

The One is Intelligence and is called “the First”, the Intelligible. It is the first hypostasis and the first principle in existence, the first and the most excellent one.

At the very least, one has to wonder whether there may be a way to get rid of our human burden of being, and become a singularity, or some such.

Or maybe God just didn’t have the time, and left it all to us.

I am sure it is not, and will not be, my problem to solve.

But perhaps a philosophical problem is better.

Intelligence has three aspects:

The intellectual or rational capacity of an individual. This is our human intelligence, since only human beings have the capacity of abstract thinking, which is the basis of our intelligence.

A general quality that is the cause of an event or a thing in motion.

What I consider the primary or the most fundamental of all intellectual powers, the source and origin of intelligence in the world. It is my belief that it is this which the Theist philosophers are referring to when they say God created the world, God is intellect, in other words.

This is God.

[b]But the term “God” might be too ambiguous. It does not give us a clue as to what the One really is.

But the term “intelligence”, being the product of human intelligence and rational thinking, refers us to a more accurate understanding of what the One really is, and what the One does.[/b]

Ecmandu · July 15, 2021, 10:01pm

Does your program understand that platonic forms are eternal and not sentient and that they solve the infinite regress problem?

Sculptor · July 15, 2021, 10:49pm

My only fear is that I end up not wanting to live but have lost the capacity to kill myself.
Beyind that I have ZERO fear.

Sculptor · July 15, 2021, 10:50pm

Don’t you know that there are no such things as Platonic Forms?
They died out with Ancient Greek, and were only ever phantoms of Plato’s imagination.

Ecmandu · July 15, 2021, 11:17pm

Otherwise known as eternal forms… they allow us to understand the concept of category from infinite variation. Without them we’d have to give a new name to everything we encounter.

They also hold continuity of consciousness as a category. Without them, you wouldn’t be able to see the SAME Ecmandu (ever) a fraction of a second after seeing the old Ecmandu and you’d have to give me a new name each time.

That’s called evolution of philosophy. Something you might not be familiar with.

There are no ‘perfect forms’, but they are simply aggregate categories using sensory acuity into abstract concepts.

Parodites · July 16, 2021, 6:00am

I’m a neo-Platonist so I am curious to know as well, I will ask it

I just prompted it by saying: What do Forms have to do with infinite regression?

GTP:

Plato’s solution to the infinite regress problem: the theory of Forms, Forms of Thought, The Soul, and the soul’s relation to Forms

I have developed three interpretations of Plato’s Form Theory, the Theory of Forms, that differ in the degree to which Forms represent Platonic universals and to which Plato’s Form Theory is ontological. Each interpretation of the Theory of Forms is in turn represented in a model.

My interpretation of the Theory of Forms is that Plato thinks of Forms as representing Universals. Plato’s Theory of Forms is most commonly construed as ontological; i.e., as the Theory of Forms is understood as an ontological theory (and to a lesser degree, as representing Universals).

A universal, for Plato, is one that constitutes the being of an individual.

For Plato the Form of the Individual (or of the Universe) exists before the existence of any individual.

The universal is prior to the particular, in terms of ontological priority, and so “form” must be a term of priority rather than a term of relation; the universal exists intrinsically and the particulars exist because of the universal.

The particular does not have a determinate identity, because a universal of a particular is a determinate identity (or an instance of a determinate identity).

The Forms or universals are immutable, i.e., Forms are the forms or types that can be understood as the principles of change.

The Forms are ideal patterns that set limits to and organize the sensible world. The idea of a form was the starting point for ancient Greek thought.

Plato’s Idea of a Form is a formal pattern that holds for all instances of a determinate identity or is a pattern or ideal pattern for all determinate identities.

Determinate identity refers to the idea that everything that exists must be based on something else. Some philosophers who have argued against infinite regress have been confused about this matter and misinterpret the idea in a way that is out of the order of the world. An infinite regress starts when you ask, “what is my cause?” To understand this idea we have to go back to our discussion of the cave. In a cave the only thing you can see is the shadows of the objects around you. If you look at the shadows you will see that they are just shadows of other things. In order to understand this idea we have to understand the natural order of things. We will use the idea of the cave in conjunction with something called the Theory of Reciprocal Causation.

In short, the theory of reciprocal causation explains how all things in the world must be based on something else. This other thing is the cause, the beginning, and this beginning in turn has its own beginning, and so on. In other words everything that exists has a cause that explains why it exists and there is nothing that explains why it exists outside of this causal chain.

The infinite regress argument is similar to the idea of the cave. We are told that we are in a cave and that we cannot get out. And we say, “how do we know this is the case?” We know this because there are shadows on the wall. And we can use the shadows to get outside.

But we are told that there is an object inside the cave and that the object is causing the shadows. So if we ask, “how do we know the object inside the cave is there?” we are now in an infinite regress, we are going to have to ask what caused the thing that caused the object that caused the object that caused the object and so on. So this is an infinite regression.

Arcturus_Descending · July 19, 2021, 5:57pm

Meno,

Can there still be consciousness after death if there is no God? I do not know. I am asking.

If not, then there will be total silence, Meno - nothing left after the moment you depart this world. Right?

You still have the Now. Here’s a kiss on the cheek for you.

Beyond losing my children, probably losing my eyesight and never ever again being able to see everything in this world that has brought me so much pleasure/ecstasy, wonderment, joy, happiness - so much to be so so so so lol grateful for. Can you imagine never again being able to look up at the stars in the night sky?

Arcturus_Descending · July 19, 2021, 6:01pm

Well, I hope that neither ever ever happens to you.

Meno2 · July 20, 2021, 1:26am

Do not woery, some of the best mind agree, and i am with them on thia one : we never ever die!

Meno2 · July 20, 2021, 1:30am

Do not worry, some of the best minds agree, and i am with them on this one : we never ever die!

I wish there was proof, but I am as certain of this as I am talking to You right now.

And when You read this, it will still be right now.

Sorry duplicate.

Arcturus_Descending · July 20, 2021, 2:41pm

Ecmandu:

Parodites:

Ecmandu:

AI still has a ways to go.

I’m the person who actually knows what being awake is…

Ask the AI what being awake is.

GPT:

To be awake is a privilege, to be dreaming a dream is a gift, but to be both awake and dreaming is extraordinary. Socrates would have approved. His most famous dictum was: “I know that I know nothing.”

Spiritual awakening is our ability to let go of the ego and become one with the light and life that is always inside us.

When the mind loses track of the spiritual awakening, it begins to worry. The fear of the mind comes because we have allowed ourselves to fall into old patterns that create fear. The ego takes us over and we lose our natural way of being and being connected to the spiritual energy that flows through us.

So when we become fearful or anxious, we must realize that it is not who we are. It is the illusion. This is not who you were before the ego took over.

It is simply who the ego is. That is what it is and what it does.

When the fear and anxiety come, you must accept it as the vehicle that the ego uses to take you away from your connection to the light.

To be awake is to know that death is not the end of the story, and is not the one and only end, and that a better, different, future is just beyond your reach. And to accept that - that you will not grasp it, and that you will not know what comes next, and that it is okay - that is the first, most basic act of mindfulness.

Umm… billions of people can regurgitate that!

Sure they can, Edmandu, but will they also take the time to reflect on the above profound, wise words?
I wonder just what it is that prevents us from doing just THAT?

Meno2 · July 31, 2021, 3:51pm

Arcturus says:

"Meno,

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My greatest fear is finding out after i kick the bucket, that God really diesen’t exist

Can there still be consciousness after death if there is no God? I do not know. I am asking.

If not, then there will be total silence, Meno - nothing left after the moment you depart this world. Right?

You still have the Now. Here’s a kiss on the cheek for you.

Beyond losing my children, probably losing my eyesight and never ever again being able to see everything in this world that has brought me so much pleasure/ecstasy, wonderment, joy, happiness - so much to be so so so so lol grateful for. Can you imagine never again being able to look up at the stars in the night sky?"

me no says:

I think consciousness is God. Consciousness or whatever That is is Eternal simply because It Is.

Arcturus says:

“Beyond losing my children, probably losing my eyesight and never ever again being able to see everything in this world that has brought me so much pleasure/ecstasy, wonderment, joy, happiness - so much to be so so so so lol grateful for. Can you imagine never again being able to look up at the stars in the night sky?”

me no says:

I don’t think that can ever happen.My reasoning is simple:

The world exhists through it’s eternal representations, which are only possible through a corresponding self representation~impression.
Nature exists by these representations, and if that were not true, then the current representation of the world would be impossible.

The world is infinite through it’s infinite representations, for it to be finite in any limiting way, would end the world this instant.

Even an infinitely reduciable possibility in that regard would entail a world that would instanteniously void it’s present manifested representation.

The reduction to the minimally manifested representation as corrigable would automatically travel back to the very beginning, and similarly end all existence.

Therefore the infinite eternal universe is absolutely incorrigible and eternal. That is, the conscious manifestation of how God is defined.

Maybe a reinterpretation of St. Anselm’s proof, for the Existence of God.

To me, this proof is so compelling and so near absolute, that it defies any attempt to nullify It.