[size=150]Your sanity becomes my sanity and my sanity becomes your sanity Andrealphus.
Andrealphus writes:
“Historically, whenever Christians say that “We offer peace and charity to all mankind”, everyone else knows that it’s time to hide the cattle.”
V writes:
“Sure, you are right Andrealphus that actions speak louder than words…but the words are a start as they define the actions.”
Andrealphus writes:
“I see no historical precedence for this among Christians. A holier than thou attitude does not automatically indicate “right” anything. I’d just as soon see the actions, and have them keep the words to yourself. It’s the best of both worlds, good actions, and peace and quiet.-”
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You are right and you are wrong Andrealphus.
I would sperate your subjective views from the argument to get at the bottom of ‘what is allowed and what is not allowed’ as a general rule for living within society.
Once we do this, we can see how much of the argument balances on our personal prejudices Andrealphus.
Sure actions must match words and you are within your rights to hate Christians, Jews, Muslims or whatever other group you wish to.
Evaluating the ‘hatred quotient’ is always a good tool to use to see when an argument is ego based or truth based.
See:
jesusneverexisted.org/jne/forum/ … opic=627.0
For instance, would an all good, all loving, all perfect God promote the use of calling others ‘dirty infidels’ or ‘filthy heathens’.
Or in the case of those free from the God delusion…religious fucktards?
groups.google.com/group/alt.tast … 03b2e2027d
No, these are all man-made creations that stem from bigotry, personal prejudices and hatred.
And once injected into the mind of man, they sprout and grow and become cries of ‘kill the infidels’…‘destroy the filthy atheists’ and ‘burn down the churches of the religious fuckatrds.’
You are within your rights Andrealphus to not hear a word from another person…as long as you can figure out where to live so you never run into another human.
But it is also within a persons rights to ask you if you are feeling OK, are lost or offer you some water if you looked parched.
The problem arises when they force medicine on you, force you to go in their direction or force you to drink.
You see, everyone is not up to snuff with living a life at peace and some of us need some help.
Of course, not all atheists agree with me on this point…as Enkidu wrote:
“You (V) have nothing to say that we haven’t heard before, nothing to say that hasn’t been say better by others, and nothing to say that was worth hearing when said better by others. Your pathetic little turds of truth are unoriginal, irrational, ill-conceived, ill-received, and devoid of value.” (condensed)
Enkidu’s gifted eloquence notwithstanding - if he and other atheists know all there is to know about everything under the sun…what is stopping them from living a life at peace?
They cannot claim that theists stop them, for as soon we blame our lack of peace on another we don’t even have the basics of peace program to pay lip service to?
Yet atheist claim they already know it all?
See:
jesusneverexisted.org/jne/forum/ … opic=613.0
groups.google.com/group/alt.athe … df88ba1701
Now, my own philosophy differs quite bit from Enkidu, as I believe the business of humanism is ‘all our business’ if we with to live life at peace.
And in fact, I have a vested interest in this philosophy.
For in the end, your sanity becomes my sanity and my sanity becomes your sanity.
Don’t believe this?
Remember the killings at Virginia Tech?
57 people shot or killed?
Atheists claiming the killer was a Christian?
Christians claiming the killer was an atheist?
Does it even matter?
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virginia_Tech_massacre
Let me illustrate how we all are in this together Andrealphus.
A millionaires daughter was a student at Virginia Tech. She was living a happy, carefree life as any millionaires child might do. But one day she ran into Seung-Hui Cho.
She was subsequently shot, as some other 56 were.
She lived, but is now she is paralyzed.
Seung-Hui Cho’s sanity became her sanity…a sanity she lives with for the rest of her life.
Seung-Hui Cho’s sanity also became the sanity for the other 56 people that shared his thoughts that day.
I don’t know what his religious affiliations were, if any.
If Seung-Hui Cho was a Christian, his fellow practitioners may have failed him…but where were the atheists secular humanists to take up the slack of the Christians shortcomings?
Where were the atheists to ask Seung-Hui Cho if he needed a drink or was lost when the Christians may have failed him? (Again, I do not know what religion the killer was if any and am using this as an illustration only. So don’t get stuck on the blame game.)
Well, atheist don’t want people to bother them and they want to leave everyone else alone as well.
After all, charity is associated with Christians and atheists and Christians do not get along.
See:
groups.google.com/group/alt.athe … 01b4947eca
I suggest you read the ‘informal creed’ of atheism that discusses this topic Andrealphus.
(Snip)
“An Atheist loves his fellow man instead of god. An Atheist believes that heaven is something for which we should work now – here on earth for all men together to enjoy.”
As such I ask if someone is thirsty and needs a drink when I see them parched.
And if I am mistaken, then no harm done. I leave them in peace, but I do ask.
This relationship of interdependent humanistic balance can best be visualized in the 3 corners of a triangle which represents the spiritual realm, other persons and ourselves
At the top goes Higher Power / God of Nature and God of Peace / Buddha / The Dharma / Universe / Karma or whatever you choose as the unseen force behind all.
On the bottom right corner of the triangle goes other people. On the left bottom corner of the triangle goes yourself.
Keeping this relationship in harmonious balance helps develop compassion for others and humility within ourselves.
We learn to think about others and the spirit as well as our own needs and we can then see we are all interdependent and not independent with all.
Once you see this balance you will realize that we all share the same breath and no need to practice hatred or develop ill will towards others. It is much better to develop compassion for others.
For as we develop compassion for others we develop peace within.
This also helps me with keeping an open mind for peace generators in my life.
As such, I practice from any spiritual tradition without problems or prejudices and readily look for such gifts irrespective of what label they come under. I even use tools from the atheists as I have mentioned with the creed.
See:
jesusneverexisted.org/jne/forum/ … ?topic=4.0
jesusneverexisted.org/jne/forum/ … opic=509.0
Take care,
V (Male)
Agnostic Freethinker
Practical Philosopher
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