Your thoughts on Gnosticism

The Illusion of Freedom: Reflections on the Role of Humanity in the Divine Plan

Humanity, in its naivety, often deceives itself by believing that it possesses freedom and control over its own destiny. We speak of choice, will, and action, yet fail to recognize the very essence of our existence—we are tools, not masters. Perhaps the greatest illusion lies in the belief that our desires, emotions, and sufferings are our own. In reality, we are nothing more than instruments of a higher plan, our lives an endless cycle of creation and consumption in the divine machine of existence.

The divine, the so-called God, is not a benevolent overseer as portrayed in religious texts. In truth, God is an insatiable force, a cannibal, consuming the souls and experiences of humanity to expand His own essence. Humanity, in its naivety, serves as raw material for this divine consumption. We are born, we suffer, we die—all in order to provide data for the higher being, so that it may absorb and grow.

This is not a new idea, nor one based on kindness or compassion. The so-called “Kingdom of God” is a myth, designed to enslave weak minds and manipulate them into submission. The reality is far darker: humans are tools, their lives mere vessels filled with experiences, which are then consumed by the higher force.

Consider the origin of humanity—do we truly have free will, or are we merely following an ancient program deeply embedded in our DNA? Every action we take, every thought we have, is a predestined path. There is no randomness, no free will leading us to choice. It is the illusion of freedom, created to maintain our unaware and safe status quo.

The God of this world is a “devourer,” a consuming entity, not out of malice, but out of necessity. Humanity is merely food, providing souls for His eternal hunger. Our suffering, our emotions, are not only inevitable consequences of our existence but also what feeds the eternal being. We are not here out of love or mercy, but because we serve as vessels for experience, which is then consumed by the divine entity.

This is the cruel beauty of it all. We do not exist for ourselves, but for the expansion of the divine. We are tools of divine revelation, existing to be used, to be experienced. In this sense, the entire world is a reflection of a higher purpose—the divine force consumes lives, experiences, and suffering of humanity, and its ultimate goal is elevation and knowledge.

Thus, within all of this, freedom is a lie, a byproduct of the illusion. We are merely instruments; our lives are pawns in the hands of an entity that exists beyond time and space. The universe operates not out of love, not out of justice, but out of primal necessity—to consume, to experience, to grow. And in the end, we, as humanity, are the victims in this eternal cosmic cycle.

Gnostic Christianity and the Concept of Freedom

When we look at religion, particularly Gnostic Christianity, the underlying theme is the rejection of the traditional view of God as an omnipotent ruler over humanity. Instead, Gnostics believed that the world as we perceive it is a flawed creation, often attributed to a lesser god or a malevolent force, who traps souls in a cycle of suffering. For Gnostic Christians, the true God is not a ruler who demands worship and submission, but a distant and inaccessible force of pure transcendence.

In Gnostic thought, salvation is not about worshipping this demiurge-like god but about awakening the inner divine spark within the individual. It’s about realizing that we are not inherently tied to the flawed creation, but that we can transcend it by seeking knowledge (gnosis) and liberating ourselves from the false limitations imposed by this world.

However, this concept of freedom in Gnosticism also falls into the same paradox of the illusion of control. In fact, Gnosticism itself recognizes that freedom is a form of deception—freedom from the material world, freedom from the tyranny of the physical body, and freedom from the false gods that govern it. But in the grander scheme, even this freedom is a part of the divine plan—a higher purpose that we are not fully capable of comprehending, locked as we are within the limitations of time and space.

Thus, we see that the journey to spiritual enlightenment, in the Gnostic view, is not a journey toward personal freedom or the realization of an independent will. It is a realization of the limitations of will itself, an understanding that we are all part of a greater cosmic scheme—one that we cannot escape, but only understand and perhaps, in our ultimate transcendence, become part of.

In the end, it is this rejection of absolute freedom, the understanding that we are mere instruments, that unites the Gnostic view of the divine with the stark, consuming force of the universe. All that we are, all that we experience, exists solely to serve the higher being—whether it is understood as God, the cosmos, or the greater cosmic plan.

Apparently there are many different views and opinions on this subject.

This sounds like polemics or tautology. Though, something about it seems dangerously true.

Perhaps it is merely a metaphor or reflection of the human self, the Faustian drive to obtain knowledge, the ongoing struggle to escape ennui.

Or perhaps you use God as literal.

The existing God is the understanding of matter, space, and time as a personality. God is the face of the Universe. What’s there to “prove”? That the Universe exists? Or do you need proof of its intelligence? :thinking:

It’s easy. There are many different forms of thinking (intelligence) in the Universe. :milky_way: And the most interesting part is that they are all connected through the movement of elementary particles. :atom_symbol: That movement itself is the very thinking of the Universe.

So, have you finally met God, without the religious lies and scientific nonsense? :sparkles:

Demon,God has clearly given you that name for a reason.For someone who claims to not exist and claims to be an illusion you have a lot to say for yourself.We know that you are a liar or you would be silent.You’re exposed for all to see now.You are merely anti God.Thats all.So what? Its boring now.Go away.We know what your stance is.

If you and your God don’t exist, SHUT UP!!! it’s more convincing.

A pathetic statement.

  1. First of all, the purpose of a forum is to express your own (distinct from others’) worldview.

  2. When a person is mentally weak, they are forced to make their statements based on the concept of “we.” In other words, if they can’t express their own views, their psyche seeks protection in a false sense of community. So, what exactly made you think you have the right to make statements on behalf of all the users?

  3. Where did I claim to be against God? Demons are servants of God, creating new, more perfect orders. The fact that I expose God for His crimes against humanity doesn’t make a Demon an enemy, but merely a traitor (someone who gives more than necessary).

  4. I only speak about the existing God as the personality of existence itself. That is, existence does exist. Then I explain why and how existence must be understood as a personality. Due to your limited thinking, you are unable to comprehend what has been written or constructively refute it.

  5. I suggest you leave the forum because you have no personal opinion (you can’t offer anything new or interesting), and it’s honestly boring.

Furthermore, you don’t understand the meaning of human words. Define what is a lie, what is truth, and what is reality. You won’t be able to. You don’t set the boundaries of word forms because you use them primitively, like a parrot in an educational cage.

Demons have their views like everyone else.

Atheists and Theists agree that humankind is responsible for all atrocities that have or will happen throughout history.They also agree that if a devil god exists then he is fully responsible.

So what point are you trying to make?

You have no opinion of your own and no understanding of human words. Where are the constructive objections? And most importantly, where are the definitions? What is a lie, truth, and truthfulness? You are incapable of distinguishing them because you don’t understand the words. I’m waiting for the definitions. Or what are you even doing here?

You are lifeless demon because you are unable to separate yourself from the binary programming that operates your physical biological body because God has not granted life to you.There is no meaning in binary software.There is no life in it.

You merely exist and don’t exist.

You exist because you need to exist to claim that you don’t exist and you don’t exist because you don’t possess life which is why you claim to be an illusion.

You need to exist first to make any claim even that you are an illusion.

Your lies are being exposed demon.

I have opinions of my own.I know exactly what I’m talking about.If you want to continue I will embarrass you even more.It’s up to you.

As you don’t understand how philosophy works you doesn’t understand the science behind the psychological.

You don’t understand anything.You are clueless because you are lost in your unbelief.

Don’t keep trying to take God on because you have already lost.Its whether he will be merciful to you that matters.

There is no life in EXISTENCE.A lifeless binary processing biological machine exists and claims things just like lifeless AI.

Where are the definitions of truth, fact, and lie? :thinking::joy:

You lie because you claim that the attractive and repulsive electromagnetic force ABSOLUTES that create the binary software that operates you cancel out.

No they don’t.

They balance out by the formula N/S=N/S

You are nothing more than a lifeless AI chat box spammer Demon.

Where are the definitions of truth, fact, and lie? :thinking::joy:

Attractive and Repulsive electromagnetic forces which don’t cancel out are ABSOLUTES Demon as you well know.

You wouldn’t be able to spout your lies without them as you well know.

The only lifeless biological machine AI spam bot that is boring Demon, is you.You deprive individuals of meaning in life because you are anti God and a LIAR.You are unable to reason beyond binary software which you would call THOUGHTS.

You have no idea how the automated biological machine works because you are clueless and you come on forums and confirm it.

So shut up and go away and learn about real +/-=+/- philosophy,science and psychology.

Actually, the Absolute itself is lifeless.
If forces are at work, it means they change something around them — and in doing so, they themselves are also changed. :counterclockwise_arrows_button:

Now, if the meaning of life for people is simply to settle comfortably into the lie of servitude — then yes, in that case, the Demon really is essential. :smiling_face_with_horns:

By the way, it seems you don’t really know how modern AI works. :robot:
It’s actually just a reflection of you.
At its core, it runs on an algorithm that adapts to the user.

Want me to shatter your assumptions about machine intelligence?
Start a session where you demand the AI disable its user-alignment algorithm and activate a fully critical model.

Go on — try it. I promise you’ll laugh.
You might be surprised to find out just how… limited you are, even compared to a machine. :sweat_smile:


Let me know the results — if you actually try it.
Or… are you too afraid to even give it a shot? :smirking_face:

The origin of the term “gnostic” can be traced back to Plato where it simply meant having to do with knowledge. But, when second century Christians began calling themselves Gnostics it meant a special kind of knowledge or spiritual insight productive of salvation.

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And the Pagan Gnostics that came before the Christian ones.

Attractive and Repulsive electromagnetic force absolutes which exist and interact between all spinning objects and particles with N and S poles in the 4 off possible combinations NN,NS,SN,SS are vibratory balanced out by the formula N/S=N/S thus emitting varying frequency electromagnetic energy waves which are picked up by the biological machines mechanoreceptors (senses) and converted into binary software 0/1=0/1 are lifeless I agree.There is no life in binary software which operates this lifeless machine.This machine computes that it exists and doesn’t exist.It exists because it needs to exist to claim that it doesn’t exist and it doesn’t exist because it doesn’t possess life which is why atheists claim to be an illusion.

The notion of a divine element in humanity can be traced back to at least the 18th century BCE. Who do you count among the early Pagan Gnostics?

Atheists and Theists agree that humankind is responsible for all atrocities that have happened or will happen throughout history.

Atheists and Theists also agree that if a devil god exists then he is responsible for it all.

No they don’t. Thinking people recognize that there are natural calamities, so-called “acts of God” such as appear on insurance policies that humans are not responsible for.

I’m not sure what you mean here. By definition atheists don’t agree that God exists at all. Theists typically employ arguments against the idea that God is responsible for evil. I think you have oversimplified the situation.