en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jallikattu
I just found out about this Minoan Style wrestling in India.
Your country claims to worship cows, but at the same time, do some very wild, bizarre crap to them. I wasn’t even looking for this, was researching Spanish bull fighting.
m.thehindu.com/opinion/op-ed/jal … 061624.ece
Honestly? Closest thing we have to that in the US is a rodeo… bulls are ridden on, it’s 99.99999% of the time safe for the cow, only the humans get hurt.
I don’t get this crap, in southern India you have wild gangs of Hindus fanatics searching the night away, looking for beef eaters out in the fields… scaring the shit out of Muslims and Christians who just want to eat a steak… in Kerala, a big chunk of hindues even eat beef… and now, you have these dastardly wrestling matches mutilating cows…
Has any philosopher in your country ever tried to figure out the schizophrenic stance your nations has regarding cows. Even when hindus usually don’t eat their own cows, from shat I’ve seen they are always half starved, deep groves in their ribs, apparently abused and treated like crap… areas outlaw slaughter houses, so people just bring their cows to be sold in other states… everyone in India wears and uses cow products…
Its absolutely insane.
I live in a area with lots of cattle, meant for dairy and meat, but outside of the mechanized dairy extraction process (I can’t imagine having your utters sucked by cold steel is pleasant) our cows have large estates here, free range for the most part, in wonderful country.
What makes it very disturbing… in America, our cows are very rarely bred for intelligence, socializing, or being treated as a idol or companion. They remained rather ignorant in the west… I’ve seen the cattle on Hindu farms here, they are a completely different breed, wide eyes, intelligent, talking to you from across a field. They’ve been bred to live aware of human humanity, and are treated clearly like crap, shoved in abusive relations. Closest we have to this is horses, we don’t abuse our horses… be they plowing or riding, historically or modern in the US. They were traditionally treated well. Donkeys… ummm, someone might kick the shit out of a Donkey, but Donkies of course fight back, if you try to overwork them they’ll take their union break on you. No one revered Donkies though. We revered our horses, and in India, cows are sacred… but treated like degrading shit.
Its a bizarre paradox. I really don’t get it.
independent.co.uk/news/world … 24696.html
Fucking hell, multiple hammer strikes on the head?
Go find some railroad tracks, and you’ll find a metal nail used to mahher the tracks to the stave, always a few laying around rusting… hammer that in… one or two fast swoops.
Or better, a pick axe sharper daily… or a spear with bricks on top, raised by rope… lead the cow in, latch it in place so it can’t move it’s head, drop the spear to it does straight in with high point impact, at least a few hundred kilograms of force.
I don’t know why it has to be so stupid and barbaric just cause your poor. Its about killing the animal as quickly and painlessly as possible.
m.thehindu.com/opinion/open-page … 578663.ece
I wonder who inflicts more suffering, cruelity, and death upon cows. Meat eaters in the American Midwest who treat their cattle with respect, or vegetarian milk drinkers. They should die all the milk in India red to remind everyone the blood they all have on their hands.
You came on this website with a token vegetarianism post, saying “that’s all I can do”. Thats absolute bullshit. I pointed out having a skilled worker in the butchery, doing it by hand, quick and as painless as possible was better. Banning meat slaughter obviously doesn’t work. Its your country Mr. Philosophy… how about you point out the absurdity of the double standards, and demand across India, whether or not the killing is legal, at the very least, they need to have functioning cattle prods on had during surprised inspections, or else the individual butchers face jail and fines. fines
That routes cattle trains use need to be designated along established routes, with a national tax to provide water and rest stops for these creatures. That all cattle needs tagged, on every farm… random cows will be prodded to check their bladders, if they have strange chemicals, the farm gets forfitted… random inspections, completely isolated from normal operations in your ministry of agriculture… who aren’t commissioned to check on the prohibition of slaughter houses (other fools can do that, they are easy to spot, they drive the nice cars from all the bribes) but merely prohibiting abuse in the process.
And know the fucking difference between pets and friends, and cattle for eating. Don’t mix your breeds, don’t befriend the creatures your going to be doing all the above to. That is deeply psychotic and deranged, it’s like someone eating their pets or children. Cows are for eating and milking, keep them as such… dumb and content till their last day, minimal abuse and pain as the basic rule.
Turd,
Why are you telling me all this? I already know it all, and undoubtly more than you. What is the point? How all this is related to me?
Are you trying to tell me that as all this happens in some parts of India also so i should not object it? There are many things about India which are not right. But, so what?
Sorry, as i have been told you once before, i do not represent or speak for my country here at ILP, but myself only.
If India is good in some things, so be it. In the same way, if India is bad in some aspects, so be it. That has nothing to do with me, as an individual. I am certainly a nationalist but my definition of nationalism does not include blindness and egoism, where i would have to defend everything about India. Yes, like all other countries, many Indians do that too. Patriotism means to me merely the real betterment of my country, nothing else. That does not refrain myself from seeing and criticizing wrongs about India either.
Turd, step out from your cocoon, sprinkle some water on your eyes, rub those slightly with your palms, open them, and try to see things and people as they are in reality, not how you want to see them according to your mindset. That would help a lot, both you and others too.
with love,
sanjay
Turd,
This quote is from one of my posts from the other thread (Think about it).
Now, please look carefully at the underlined portion.
with love,
sanjay
I see it, but what are you going to do about it? You started the anti-meat thread, based on animal cruelty. We already made giant leaps forward, your being lazy. You said the best you could do was point it out. This is false, you can do much more. I already offered up a few suggestions… have better butcher tools and advocate strong punishments for not using fast and clean executions, and measures for humane cattle running… logistics being set up from meat taxes (export, Vat, don’t care).
You may not know thus, but in America, Chicago was the national hub for cattle operations. The cattle initially was raised on the plains, and drove in on big herds… then our railway started poking out from Chicago in every direction. You can travel in the US north south, East West just fine, but it’s not till Chicago it gets all crazy and diagonal. It was to acvomidate the farms.
The better our technology improved, the simpler it got, the less need we had to push it to extremes… we thought out every level.
A pig compound now can cost $50,000 to open, pigs are admittedly trapped… Turkey and chicken farms tend to be factory oriented… but Cows, Horses, Llama, Bison are still largely open field, with barns and hay for the winter. Many working professionals grow nothing but hay in the rural areas just outside the suburbs, a guy comes a few times a year to cut it for them, pays the mortgage, sometimes even the electric for the family. Farms centralized buy this, feed in winter when grass doesn’t grow.
Cows don’t get screwed with until butchery comes, and they rarely have to match far… capitalism in our country has ironed out every step. No reason to be cruel till that dead last second.
In India, I know to a large extent, agriculture is still state controlled. That means it’s the philosophers imperative to write up and encourage internal changes. That means Zinmsti, since he cares enough to lecture us. You need to lecture your own people that a absolute idealism of non-violence isn’t doing squat, and that being pragmatic can substantially reduce the suffering of these animals. They will cry Avaita Vedanta, dance around and call you a monster, but the real monster is their negligence in not even confronting the immediate reality… it’s happening, will continue to happen… for crying out loud, make it more humane. Send inspectors from special task forces separate form the normal ones to show up to inspect not for compliance against illegally smuggling and bribing, but rather proper execution of animals, using proper tools humanely. The tools ate not that expensive, and I’m sure even a rural blacksmith can work something up… better than a hammer that takes multiple blows.
The roots the cattle De Facto use need mapped out, way stations (a state owned controlled field) with water needs regularly set up, with minimal shelter for humans overnight. Failure to use these a hour after dusk without a excellent excuse should lead to confiscation and auction of the herd.
These little measures fix the logistic gaps. It advances your country from the stone age in terms of animal rights to 19th century America.
How much does it cost to have a special inspector team? A couple Muslims or Sikhs not afraid of seeing cows killed, drive up randomly, walk up with a clipboard, writing citations and making arrests, if they can’t comply? How much does it cost for each state to officially set aside fields every so many miles to prevent over exhaustion of cattle along routes they already use? How much for more humane designs for implements of slaughter?
Its pure brain power, very minimum investment. Something you can do easily by drawling up a general plan. You live there, you feel you can lecture us, I lecture you back. Get off your butt, visit a blacksmith or machine shop, see what can be done realistically. Do a 3d mechanical drawling of the instruments. Look at maps, what routes do you know are in use? What should the points of more humane butchery be? Why is it important? Are you a better vegetarian, a more moral person for ignoring it?
You can’t stop it, but you can initiate positive change here. Thats what philosopher do… we are thinkers, we introduce ideas. Everyone in India is apparently broke ass poor and to uncaring, so your theory will have to have minimal impact in terms of effort… just falls into the logic already in place, even makes better sense to do it this way sort of thinking. It gas to be seen that way.
If not, if you can’t even find yourself to try, you should apologize to everyone for making the anti-meat thread, as you clearly don’t stand for protecting the welfare of animals, and was merely trolling of a moral superiority trip.
Its easy for vegans and vegetarians to cry out when a meat eater eat meat, but it’s very hypocritical and disturbing when they make no real efforts to reduce suffering when and where it exists. On the scale meat is being consumed, impossible to make everyone a vegan. But it doesn’t mean you take a extreme, hypocritical stance and do nothing.
Joker is my hero. He killed the cows by hand. Fast, efficient. I want competent, controlled kills, not stationary blades and electrodes that don’t always kill first jab. Sure kill first time, instantly, 99.999 percent of the time. That takes effort, competency, right equipment and work ethic. You can’t achieve that without regulation, especially in your controlled economy with minimal liberalization of agriculture and husbandry.
It has to be you Zinny. Our ancestors did it here, now it’s your turn there. I don’t want a single Hindu lecturing us again until they fix this mess in their own house. We don’t do half the craziness empathetic India does to it’s own animals, the thoughts to do so wouldn’t occur to most of us.
What I’m suggesting us very simple and achievable. You can undoubtedly build upon it talking to local philosophers on the ethics of a more human culling.
Turd,
All that shows that despite your thinking of highly knowledgeable about yourself, you still know nothing about ground realities of India, like you claimed that agriculture is mostly state controlled here. And, I stopped reading after that.
God knows from where you get all this real information’s! Maybe there is some other In India also in this world, I do not know!
With love,
Sanjay
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agriculture_in_India
You can also blame mainstream Indian and International Newspapers, especially the New York Times… they keep doing articles since I was a kid on India’s state control over the movement and sale of agricultural goods.
The whole world is a idiot, only Zinny knows the truth.
Knock the bullshit off. Your inaction is torture, one and the same. By ignoring this issue, your effectively hammering away at those cows skulls yourself, painful blow after painful blow. Only you can save them from this agony, your the philosopher on the scene. Its in your backyard. You after all, cared enough to lecture us, so it’s clearly a important matter to you. Yet you continue to dodge the issue.
with love,
sanjay