what Marxism really is.....

Pedro_I_Rengel · December 30, 2020, 3:13pm

Imagine your situation where taking one of those jobs is an improvement.

There is no slavery, transnationals aren’t going around forcing people to do this labor. In fact people do violent things in order to be the ones that get that transnational money.

The fact is that some labour has to be a certain amount of cheap to not be prohibitive, so you can have your quinoa or whatever the heck, and that for some people that money is life saving. it’s a win win, even though you perhaps were bred in such astoundingly favourable circumstances (thanks to your capitalist countrymen) that what to those people is a godsend to you seems unimaginable toil.

d0rkyd00d · December 30, 2020, 3:21pm

So here is how Singer concludes Chapter 8 “Economics”:

“Does this mean that the central theses of Capital are simply mistaken, and that the work is just another piece of crackpot economics-- as we might have expected from a German philosopher meddling in a field in which he has not been trained? If this view seems at all plausible, Marx himself, with his emphasis on the scientific nature of his discovery, must bear the blame. It would be better to regard Capital, not as the work of a ‘minor post-Ricardian’ (as Paul Samuelson, a leading 20th-century economist, once appraised Marx as an economist), but as the work of a critic of capitalist society. Marx wanted to expose the deficiencies of classical economics in order to expose the deficiencies of capitalism. He wanted to show why the enormous increase in productivity and wealth brought about by the industrial revolution had made the great majority of human beings worse off than before. He wanted to reveal how the old relationships of master and slave, lord and serf, survived under the cloak of freedom of contract. His answer to these questions was the doctrine of surplus value. As a economic doctrine it does not stand up to scientific probing. Marx’s economic theories are not a scientific account of the nature and extent of exploitation under capitalism. They nevertheless offer a vivid picture of the kind of society created by the forces unleashed by capitalism: a society in which the productive workers unconsciously create the instruments of their own oppression. It is a picture of human alienation, writ larger as the dominance of past labour, or capital, over living labour. The value of the picture lies in its capacity to see its subject in a radically new way. It is a work of art, of philosophical reflection, and of social polemic, all in one, and it has the merits and the defects of all three of these forms of writing. It is a painting of capitalism, not a photograph.”

Pedro_I_Rengel · December 30, 2020, 3:22pm

Nazis never capable of generating their own opinions.

Pedro_I_Rengel · December 30, 2020, 3:22pm

Or maybe just scared to defend them.

Scum.

d0rkyd00d · December 30, 2020, 3:23pm

I especially love the last line:

Pedro_I_Rengel · December 30, 2020, 3:46pm

Hahahahahahaha.

promethean75 · January 24, 2021, 2:00pm

Some of ILP’s IAQs (infrequently asked questions) are answered here.

obsrvr524 · January 24, 2021, 4:29pm

That’s all balderdash but that’s what socialists do - lie and steal for power and domination. Socialism is just to peak of unrestrained capitalism - capital for the elite class - dung for everyone else.

promethean75 · February 4, 2021, 10:49pm

quite possibly relevant material for those of you who like history and stuff. I mean about what marxisum is and stuff.

quora.com/Why-did-socialism … chtenstein

Urwrongx1000 · February 6, 2021, 12:05am

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w5KIAftglPM[/youtube]

promethean75 · February 7, 2021, 11:47am

There aren’t many marxism for dummies videos out there, but this one might help you and those two clowns in the above video.

youtu.be/ysZC0JOYYWw

promethean75 · February 9, 2021, 11:42am

Alright dummies we’re moving right along here. Urwrong you ready for part 2? Fast forward to 1:55. You gotta be hungry like the wolff, son.

youtu.be/HMUuw_K-ky0

(more a summary of points made in the first video than a continuation. obviously a different place, time and audience)

promethean75 · February 9, 2021, 12:16pm

Lol after 26:35.

‘I dont care if they call it lemon meringue pie… later on I’ll break it to em what it is’

phoneutria · February 9, 2021, 12:24pm

just passing by to laugh at this again

promethean75 · February 9, 2021, 1:06pm

Yes that was well done. I hope you thought that up yourself and didnt see it in a meme somewhere.

Go to 1:06:05 and watch wolff describe the ingenious irony of the silicon valley dudes. I hadn’t even thought of it that way. This point excels, and is therefore an excellent point.

promethean75 · February 9, 2021, 1:12pm

See what I did there? Pointed a certain software engineer toward a very salient point made in a video about socialism?

I’ll turn you into a goddamn revolutionary yet. you watch kiddo.

promethean75 · February 9, 2021, 1:19pm

youtu.be/DjcCQsRCHUs

promethean75 · February 9, 2021, 1:40pm

^^^ costarastrology.com/natal-chart/5374713

phoneutria · February 9, 2021, 2:18pm

lol if you think
that cooperative corporations
are not a fine example
of libertarian capitalistic entrepreneurship
and the kind of economic freedom
allowed to us by free market and capitalism

the fact that you can quit your job at any time
and go start your own business
with some like-minded friends
YOUR own business
because whether it is owned by one person, or many
it is PROPERTY
and it generates PROFIT
and the profit belongs to THE OWNERS
to distribute or reinvest as they see fit

is that clear?

and how do you think they’d feel
if someone came to them
who didn’t bust their ass for years
to get a business going from the ground up
and told them sorry but we need to repossess all your equipment
your laptops and your servers are property of the people
and we need them for something else
also,
those profits, we’ll take those too
they’re not yours, they are the people’s
other business aren’t doing so well
and we need to redistribute it all neatly
so that the people who made shit decisions and fucked up their enterprise
can have all the same shit as you
your sacrifice is for the common good
eh?

haven’t I already made this point here, prom?

your comrades who did not create the conditions for themselves
to become self employed
who spent their money irresponsibly
did shitty jobs
who were not reliable
would have no choice
but to work for the state
they would watch you prosper as a result of your own hard work
see you acquiring ever better and newer tools
see the clients continue to prefer you instead of them
because you’re better at what you do
and that would create a condition of inequality
we can’t have that
why do you get to have tools and freedom
to pick the jobs you want and work on your own schedule
while your fellow comrade workers are bound by the restrictions of the state?
that would call for revolution

besides,
the state needs those tools, man
it’s for the greater good of the people
hand’em over

prom won’t be cleaning any pipes on his own
like a goddamn anarchist
not in a socialist setting

so what books have you been reading?
and this guy in the vid?
cuz this ain’t marx
y’all are spreading bourgeoisie propaganda
dressing it up as socialism
to deceive the comrads
i sentence you to the gulag

MagsJ · February 9, 2021, 2:25pm

A spot-on analysis of historical global affairs, bringing us to current present climes. =D>

Tho in my opinion, a country doesn’t have to be just any one socio-economic system, and most countries prove that to be true, and I think that transitioning not only can (but should) be enjoyed, along the way/during the transition period.

I quite like the Monte Carlo economic-system model.