a challenge to PoR

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The only reason apes exist is because lets say we in fact evolved from them the difference is that certain apes decided to go on the ground and walk on the ground while other stayed in the trees. The ones in the trees stayed apes the ones on the ground turned into humans.

I disagree that you include facial features because people withink these groups as you define them can have a range of facial features. If there wasn’t than all people would look exactly the same if there weren’t variants. If you are saying that facial feature define race then all the people with high-cheekbones would be one race, all the people with point noses would be another race and so on.

As for racial identity i hope in the future it stops existing I for one am all fore globalization and the creation of one “race” as you call it. My race is not who I am, my country is not who I am nor my culture, “I” am not a static thing that can be defined by character attributes, physical attributes, cultural attributes etc. Because none of those are static they are always moving always changing things.

The only way races would exist as you mentioned was if every group that went out from the cradle of civilization lived in one area without contact for thousands upon hundred of thousands if not millions of years evolving on their own. But because we reproduce we grow and expand and eventualy meet the others and eventualy after that overflow into each others gene pools until there is but one race. So too bad so sad and unless you nuke every race except your own whats destined to happen will happen. And you probably would do so if you had the chance.

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  1. The cradle of civilisation wasn’t the big origin point as far as I’m aware, it was one of a number of noteable civilised areas that sprang up as we all got the hell out of africa (a reference to the speed of emigration btw)

  2. A BIG BIG POINT I think everyone has missed, argue about physical race if you will, but there are most certainly ethical differences, based purely upon ideals, philosophy and culture. When you chat about racial intergration it is this which changes.

This has nothing to do with race but tends to go with it as different idealist groups that meet are often racially seperated (ie. noteable physical differences). The different thoughts keep people apart and give rise to seperation that is often mistaken for being purely racial (anyone who thinks Northern Ireland and black/white problems don’t have certain similarities speak up now - it’s only the scope for propoganda that changes)

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Is it possible to get someone banned or kicked out of the forums?

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Not unless they were being overtly cruel to a (group of) person(s).

Being stupid is not enough.

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What about being racist in general?

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I dont think PoR thinks hes being racist or is trying to be racist he just has a different point of view from yours.

What does this fighting involve? Does it involve me only breeding with my own race? Because if I happen to fall in love with another race im not prepared to aquit myself from the idea of having children. I want children and I dont care what race my partner is, aslong as I love them.

Still, no evidence for this. And I would rather have “weak” children than have to force myself to be with my own race just for the “perseverance” of my race.

Race is defined by a number of qualities. Skin, facial features, voice, hair etc. Not all people of a certain race have certain qualities, but it can still be said that race is defined by these qualities. I find that people who deny race are themselves racist. Accept race as a physical thing, mentaly I feel there are no differences between a black man or a white man.
It is more culture, if anything, that causes the distinction between races.

But this did happen to a certain degree. Mankind spread out across the earth and settled in certain areas. Here they adapted according to circumstance. The adaptations were only limited to outer qualities, any difference in race that appears mental is purely a cultural thing.
Many races probably did meet, but they were part of different groups/tribes and so would not have breeded together.

Anyone that views globilisation as a good thing is either very naive and ignorant or very evil and greedy.
Do you seriously want our culture to be conformed into one mass culture with no differentiations?
You are defined by your physical and cultural attributes, if not so then what else are you defined by? It is your culture which determines a lot of your opinions and view points.
Let me ask you this… what would this one universal race be? Would it be your own? Would you ignore all other cultures and races just for your own? Do you favour a race that should be the one and only race?
Globalisation means the end of culture, the end of languages, the end of holidays as we know them. The only ones that will benefit from globalisation are the elites.

Why do people feel that the existance of race is a bad thing? Accept that race exists physicaly. To ignore that a race exists both physicaly and culturaly, is in my opinion, racist.

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I dont agree with everything that PoR says, but I will defend him on this one. He did not say that he thought all races should be destroyed, that sounds rather more like an idea of your own. He infact said that we should strive to persevere and protect our own race, avoid mixing races etc.

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Yea I regretted what I said about globalization right after I said it. The world would be a pertty bland place if everyone was the same. [and i didn’t mean it would all become “my race”. Yea I’m wrong I admit it.

As for the 2nd part [the destroying thing] i didnt imply that PoR wanted to do that or even expressed an opinion of it but rather unless an action like that was taking mixing of the races would be inevitable especialy in multicultural societies.

But yea I take back the globalization remark.

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How very noble of you Vincent. Globilisation is inevitable on earth, just as the eventual shortage of fuel is. But we can do things to slow it down, or atleast realise that its not a good thing.

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How very noble of you Vincent. Globilisation is inevitable on earth, just as the eventual shortage of fuel is. But we can do things to slow it down, or atleast realise that its not a good thing.

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  1. “Race exists.” (there really has to be a ‘s’ on the end of exist, that’s basic grammar)
    -Race does exist, the human race.

  2. “Preservation of the race is the highest principle in life.”
    -Surely whilst transcending the animalistic state, one might realise that there is more to existence than the preservation of life, or a race, or perhaps as you see it – a single sub-category of that race! Unless of course, one is thinking only through one’s genitals.

  3. “Language describes experience, it does not create experience.”
    -Language has an ability to carry in it, the descriptions of emotions, which then can be conveyed to others; thus they are experiencing a feeling, caused by the words – I think from this point of view it could be said that language both describes and can create experiences.

  4. “There is no tolerance, but intolerance.”
    -What the hell is that supposed to mean? That’s just a pithy aphorism.

  5. “A loser is not someone who is lazy……

Thats enough of that, May your diety of choice bless you.

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dasnichtege

how would you lable?

you mean michael jackson? stop your bullshit

so what is your point? my racial explanation is very simple, it is this, a blond + red head = blond
then
blond+ blond = red head.

so the race is preserved. think about it.

Vincent

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yes, a range of racial facial differences. stop playing with the word race. a person with tall nose may have a child with short nose. but a black+white = non(black&white)

so you are in heart, a traitor, you would not help your race if it was under attack and you blindly preach tolerance. you are such a pathetic moron, now fuck off. I’ll not speak to you again.

TO all,

IF YOU DO NOT CARE ABOUT YOUR RACE, THEN BY RACE YOU SHALL PERISH.

coldnpale

the human species, you fuck

and you fuck others and in the end get fucked yourself meaning you lost your racial identity and by that your eternal identity which was withyou from birth to death dies with your stupidity.

no you idiot, I have proven before that language carries with it understanding, it is different from sound which arouse emotion. and language is spoke word, written word not some fucking musical language

meaning you all fucking lefties are rightwinger but are too cowardly to admit otherwise

and please get fucked!

(I apologise to the mods for my emotional outbursts, please pm me if you would like me to modify my extreme emotions)

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Ah, PoR. Your a good laugh!

May your diety of choice “please get fucked!” - John8:11 etc… =D>

**btw-“human race” is a play on words… for you see words can carry so much, like the words of the Dalai Lama. Let me quote a little to you, i think it might help you (you seem very stressed out PoR - perhaps you’ve been worrying too much about melanin)

:slight_smile:

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PoR

Surely such a post, warrants a banning, this is not language of discourse, of a discussion, or of an argument. It is inexcusable whatever your closely held beliefs. Without decisive moderation now I fear for the future of rational discussion, constructive criticism, democracy in general, and of course ILP. It does not bode well for ILP that anybody in the world with an internet connection can see such a posting in the name of ILP, and think it is acceptable.

BANISH

Even if it were in the rant house and actually contained a POINT or fact or something I would be ashamed of ILP. As it is, it’s a list of insults, purely set out to offend. PoR may well be a character created be another ILP member for a laugh, that should ensure a BAN. ILP cannot have member setting up fake personas to present such offensive bowel discharge. It simply undermines the rules designed to promote rational discourse. BAN THE IP ADDRESS.

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Everything PoR says is satire… he just sucks at it.

It’s a joke…

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OG,

Maybe so, and as a regular viewer of ILP I realise the comedy value of PoR’s threads. BUT:

  1. This particular post did not make me laugh
  2. Other, not such regular readers might take this as in some way representative of ILP etc.
  3. Even when his posts are funny, they are often disrupting, interrupting, corrupting actual discussions, which although I’m sure are simply ignored by regulars, are probably very disruptive to the rational minds of irregular readers and novices alike. As such, these posts cost ILP potential contributors.

I do not have anything against anybodies views, opinions, beliefs, faith or religion; indeed I revel in the diversity of ILP. I do not have an agenda and consider myself as impartial as one could hope for from something so fallible as a humanbeing . I welcome criticism, debate, and challenge, indeed they are a requirement of philosophy. However it is clear now that PoR only wishes to insult and subvert discussion to slagging matches. A slap on the wrist will not deter him; either:

  1. because someone’s deliberate aim of inventing the PoR persona was to subvert actual philosophical discussion.
    or 2) He is an actual person here to relieve his hate on to ILP insulting, subverting threads, and philosophy

I need only hold in evidence the contents of but one thread of which there are thousands more alike:

PoR said:

I believe all quotes retain their actual meaning, and have not been taken out of context.

If I was a persona simply aiming for a laugh I’d aim a bit higher than the usual swear words, to more inventive and descriptive insults
e.g. [to nobody in particular] your the infected sexually transmitted wart on the flabby arse of the global disease that is humanity, and I wouldn’t give one of my bowel movements to choke you to death with. - its is much more humorous.

If PoR was a persona, a comedic parody of some of the extreme views sometimes encountered, its taken to far because PoR posts simply undermine the entire threads for most readers. instead of simply highlighting and making fun of the target. Indeed if a parody he does not only suck at satire, but should be banned for it.

A Ban is the only way forward
I do not say it lightly

All in favour say aye

Aero
[ I cant believe I wasted all those letters on that little wart.……]

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AYE

…he isn’t contributing anything to ILP or even the human race rather dragging it down.

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I dont think PoR is a joke, hes just a “bloke” from Australia with very extreme ideas. I dont think he is intentionaly racist either.
He shouldnt of sworn so much I agree, but PoR is… hes… umm… hes PoR. Hes been here for ages, take him as you like… abit of emotional outburst doesnt warrant a bann.

What amuses me even more than PoR’s radical right wing ideas is your (seemingly thought out) campaign against him.

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i’d label it as different physical characteristics based on a person’s ancestry, just like hair color and eye color.

Nope. There was a poster going around my undergraduate university that had two pictures of the same man, one colored “white”, the other “black.” It had a subtitled that was on the lines of “If you think the one on the right [the black guy] is a criminal, look again. These photos are of the same person.”

It’s spelled B-L-O-N-D-E. If you had read the rest of my post, you would have seen my explanation of outgroup homogeneity and the fact that i can distinguish some groups, but that’s based on what groups of people with which i have associated, not some innate skill.

Unless there’s a bad plague running around killing large numbers of people on the six populated continents, i think we’ll be ok as a race.
i’m more worried about having too much of our race right now.

How does one perish “by race”?

It is the human race. The species is Homo sapiens.

And which identity was that? The one that came from the Amerindians’ conception of my “race”? The Germans’? The Indonesians? The Canadians’?

If that were the case, then all conversations, both written and spoken, would be devoid of emotional pull. Yet, you are appearing as having been emotionally affected by words typed prior to this. It may not be in a structured Western musical key, but it sure does seem to affect people…and that’s just the written text.

i’ve voted green for the last two major elections. Yes, i did vote for a conservative during our last election, but (1) he was not picked by his party, and (2) he was better than the other candidates in my opinion. i may not be of the “fucking lefties” (even though my dominant hand/side is my left), but i’m not a “rightwinger” as well.

Depending on how you mean that, i do quite frequently thanks to a wife :slight_smile:

And this could not have been because of some emotional content coming from another text.

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Tell me PoR, what exactly does one lose when he/she loses their racial identity?