a new church

[turtle]

@Artimas

@turtle

I don’t want to live for the universe…I want to survive and I will try to be helpful to people

You don’t want to expand your mind through knowledge and open mindedness, you don’t want to experience the unknown? Being helpful to people, you can start by expanding yourself so that they too may learn to expand. Your expansion, is also the universes expansion, as it is for every individual of which is the universe experiencing itself subjectively.

“A human being is a part of a whole, called by us universe, a part limited in time and space. He experiences himself, his thoughts and feelings as something separated from the rest… a kind of optical delusion of his consciousness. This delusion is a kind of prison for us, restricting us to our personal desires and to affection for a few persons nearest to us. Our task must be to free ourselves from this prison by widening our circle of compassion to embrace all living creatures and the whole of nature in its beauty.” - Albert Einstein

I am one human being…I just work on being a kind person…I want to help not hinder…I don’t follow any great big thing

[James_S_Saint]

@Artimas

… Are those things living?

Turtles and giraffes, I am pretty sure some of them are. In fact, I can’t think of any animal that displays any spiraling of any sort.

@Artimas

The Fibonacci numbers are therefore applicable to the growth of every living thing, including a single cell, a grain of wheat, a hive of bees, and even all of mankind.

jwilson.coe.uga.edu/emat6680/par … nature.htm I guess you couldn’t make the simple correlation of which I meant “everything spirals” even with a quote in front of you.

So you just believe whatever is posted as “profound truth” on a web page void of thinking?
Sounds rather religious.

@Artimas

The Universe is not obligated to care or make sense, we are it, experiencing itself subjectively and individually.

Well, there goes the “spiraling” theory. The universe is not obligated to spiral, and very often doesn’t.

[Artimas]

@James S Saint

@Artimas

… Are those things living?

Turtles and giraffes, I am pretty sure some of them are. In fact, I can’t think of any animal that displays any spiraling of any sort.

@Artimas

The Fibonacci numbers are therefore applicable to the growth of every living thing, including a single cell, a grain of wheat, a hive of bees, and even all of mankind.

jwilson.coe.uga.edu/emat6680/par … nature.htm I guess you couldn’t make the simple correlation of which I meant “everything spirals” even with a quote in front of you.

So you just believe whatever is posted as “profound truth” on a web page void of thinking?
Sounds rather religious.

@Artimas

The Universe is not obligated to care or make sense, we are it, experiencing itself subjectively and individually.

Well, there goes the “spiraling” theory. The universe is not obligated to spiral, and very often doesn’t.

… This is simply laughable. So because you can’t think of any animals that display the spiraling/fibonacci mathematics means they aren’t there.

It’s math, regardless of that website. What part of this can you really not grasp.

pinterest.com/search/pins/?q … ci%7Ctyped

For some turtles basically the same thing happens. Turtles have shells
that have what I would call tiles on them (although I know that is
not the correct term). These tiles are the same shape but appear in
different sizes. The sizes correspond to entries in the Fibonacci
sequence.

Giraffes have spiral patterns on their coats.

[James_S_Saint]

@Artimas

So because you can’t think of any animals that display the spiraling/fibonacci mathematics means they aren’t there.

Emmm… well … yeah, I think that pretty much qualifies as “evidence”.

Remember as an atheist, you are obligated to not believe in anything that you cannot see.

@Artimas

It’s math, regardless of that website. What part of this can you really not grasp.

What I cannot “grasp” is why you would worship such a thing despite the evidence against it. Mathematics has been proven to be incorrect many times, sometimes by me. But the theory that “the universe spirals” is NOT mathematics, but fanciful fairy-tail type of wishful thinking for a simple solution to a much more complex situation … you know, like those other religious people.

[Artimas]

@James S Saint

@Artimas

So because you can’t think of any animals that display the spiraling/fibonacci mathematics means they aren’t there.

Emmm… well … yeah, I think that pretty much qualifies as “evidence”.

Remember as an atheist, you are obligated to not believe in anything that you cannot see.

@Artimas

It’s math, regardless of that website. What part of this can you really not grasp.

What I cannot “grasp” is why you would worship such a thing despite the evidence against it. Mathematics has been proven to be incorrect many times, sometimes by me. But the theory that “the universe spirals” is NOT mathematics, but fanciful fairy-tail type of wishful thinking for a simple solution to a much more complex situation … you know, like those other religious people.

Obviously you cannot grasp it. LOL evidence against it? Ok, i’m done here, this is obvious delusional thinking.

[James_S_Saint]

So you are a Quantum Magi fanatic and worshiper. That explains the lack of any actual scientific understanding you display.

But even the Quantum Magi don’t profess that the universe spirals. Making you a corruption to your own church.

[Artimas]

@James S Saint

So you are a Quantum Magi fanatic and worshiper. That explains the lack of any actual scientific understanding you display.

But even the Quantum Magi don’t profess that the universe spirals. Making you a corruption to your own church.

I worship nothing and am fanatic about nothing.

Because all of the pictures don’t show the universe spiraling, right? LOL

[turtle]

@turtle

@phyllo

but can you answer my question about the soulless universe…what are you talking about…that will help

Why would my understanding (or misunderstanding ) help with your NEW church?

it is not my new church…it is an idea…it is new…it is not a church…I want you to help build a model for this new idea…I am just presenting this idea of reformation…something people can believe in without being non-rational…

can you guys help me model this new whatever using rational thinking…no Christian god

[phyllo]

can you guys help me model this new whatever using rational thinking…no Christian god

Step 1 :
What do you hope to achieve? What are your goals for this organization? Why have it? What is it for? What problems are you trying to solve?

After you figure that out , then you can proceed to determine how you can do it.

[James_S_Saint]

Step 2: Wait for the female Jesus to make it all happen … without a Christian God.

Is the Jewish God okay? Islamic? Hindu?

How about Adi Shakti?

[Artimas]

Why have a god at all.

[Ierrellus]

Are we free enough to be moral?

[Ierrellus]

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[turtle]

@Artimas

Why have a god at all.

I am with art…why have a god…we don’t need this…the focus is earth and us…

thanks james and phyllo…this is not an organization…it is an idea…there are many persons that want to connect with others in a loving way…they cant do it in a Christian church…so you take out the church and the Christ and the god…one of the persons you have left is the HUMAN jesus…his message of love may be helpful…

[turtle]

@Ierrellus

Are we free enough to be moral?

we better start freeing ourselves up…nobody else will…the power to do this lies within ourselves…a lot of people will fall by the wayside…they are not able to make it…

[Artimas]

I like Buddhas teachings more than “Jesus”. He claimed he was the son of “god”. Buddha claimed he was just a man. The message is, we’re all gods. We all should be ourselves, individual selves. We should all strive to create happiness, to help Earth in a positive way, rather than send negative ripples in the first place. Buddha was also known as humble.

The Earth is a self correcting system, most of the environmentalists work for themselves for a more comfortable place to live, for them self. They don’t truly care about the planet. They care about being comfortable, on the planet.

“Intellectuals solve problems; geniuses prevent them.”

– Albert Einstein

[Ierrellus]

A new order will require creativity. Here’s Wikipedia’s notation on theologian Nicholas Berdyaev–“He was preoccupied with creativity and in particular with freedom from anything that inhibited creativity, whence his opposition to a ‘collectivized and mechanized’ society.” We live in such a society.

[Ierrellus]

duplicate

[turtle]

@Artimas

I like Buddhas teachings more than “Jesus”. He claimed he was the son of “god”. Buddha claimed he was just a man. The message is, we’re all gods. We all should be ourselves, individual selves. We should all strive to create happiness, to help Earth in a positive way, rather than send negative ripples in the first place. Buddha was also known as humble.

The Earth is a self correcting system, the environmentalists work for themselves for a more comfortable place to live, for them self. They don’t truly care about the planet. They care about being comfortable, on the planet.

“Intellectuals solve problems; geniuses prevent them.”

– Albert Einstein

I like Buddha…I like jesus…as far as jesus-----what does son of god mean…if you mean a god we need to throw it out…if he is human
then what is his message…it doesn’t matter even if there was no jesus…the message needs to be evaluated…that message did not come from god…the Christian god is out…that is a must…

[Artimas]

I don’t know, but I don’t think there should be any mention of “God” it confuses people. So Buddha > Jesus. Buddha did not say anything about god, other than we are responsible for ourselves pretty much, we make our own paths, we have the influence/power to do these things. Why even use any god/man, there should only be references.

All derives out of knowledge and influence. Language being one of the biggest of influences, vocal, or scribed.