Sleeping is considered an escape from your senses ,
although they are still active.
Though I’m hestitant to throw around old by-standards like wrong and right, after all, I don’t see any Philosopher Kings here, I’d say without a doubt that our sense are permanently attached to us. I can smell a DesCartes fan when I find one; the problem with DesCartes is that he used completely unobtainable objections to perception without any backing, i.e., he decided God was his excuse for everything he wrote. Though the idea of God or a manifested perfection is very human, it begs the question to use him as your focal point. Thus, I’ve had little passion nor convincing from DesCartes’ work - look here.
Have you ever gone to bed, and had a great dream, a wonderful dream, and woken up a little embarassed? How is it that our senses have left in this circumstance? Again, another example, for those who are not erection endowed - you sleep and run from a murderer all night, and awake screaming. This sensation, this sense, it was still there - our senses are present in all manifestations, and thus subjectivity is present in all manifestation. If DesCartes had managed to bring up this point his idea of a deceptor would have been much more interesting, no? Though he did use dreaming, he merely wondered whether he could be alive and dreaming - and basic function tells us that though we can’t escape our senses, they are obviously well dulled. (When else would we think that rat with the magic water crystal is normal?)
As for this pertaining to equality: Should a fanciful, nihilistic fantasy really call forth this much debate? Nihilism forgets the question of one’s own self’s existance and merely calls into question the unpleasantries of day-to-day life. Until a nihilist can earnestly explain to me why they are capable of typing their words, I refuse, on utter principle, to surrender my own reality. As being equal or unequal to another - isn’t that the world’s eternal struggle?
I suppose we do eat cows.
Your an odd person sifrid , take care of yourself.
Odd? Why? I’ve read many major philosophers, think about it daily, and I didn’t agree, so I argued a pretty decent point…?
I suppose the biggest fallacy of argument is turning it personal. 
I’ll consider this your defeat. Better luck next time. ^^
So what can we conclude from this?
Of course in the end, there is no better or worse and everything breaks down into nothing, BUT untill then; untill there is no other perspectives to communicate with there will always be better and worse.
Let the races begin.
Murdoc, you are describing a null set. The concept of equality is nonsensical in that context, as is your position in general. I think you need a little brushup in mathematics (logic) before you start telling us that everything is equal. The very phrase “everything is equal” is nonsensical. The only way out of this is through metaphysics, yet you indicate none here. Are you just leaving something out? Something we should know about? If death is truly nothingness, then it is a null set. You must posit somethingness after death for your statement to make sense.
Well, I’d say we could beg the question from this; because when someone speaks in sarcasm, it doesn’t really fall into maxim, does it?
In this, perpahs, all are equal; everyone wants to be unique, yet also to find one who is equal to share his or her uniqueness with.
Precisely.
Agreed. What do you believe will happen? Anything is possible on the hologram deck.
May I rephrase then:
The only thing every single one of us shares is death … which also means life in some crazy ‘nonsensical’ way as you mentioned.
Death … and life … the same thing? My brain hurts …
But we do not share death. Each of us dies - those are seperate deaths. If we share that, then we share a great many other things. I get the impression that you have no idea where you are going with this. But I smell metaphysics - always a long, drawnout argument that usually starts with some attempt at agreement about some non-metaphysical premises. I’m not biting - I’ve seen sneaky metaphysicians before.
Death is not a shared experience, it is one we all have. So is birth - there you go - you’ll say it’s the same thing. This is just screwy logic. If you want to say that everything is everything, just come out and say it. Why not? You can say anything you want, it’s just philosophy, right? If you truly don’t know where you’re going with this, then I’ll just wait until you do. But using loose language is not the path. “Share” is a loosely-defined word, but it does not serve as a premise in a mystical argument (whatever that will be) if it means “identical” - because it does not mean that, really. We use it that way, but not philosophically, just metaphorically. But metaphysics is only metaphor, anyway. Feel free.
Null sets cannot be equal; they don’t exist. If something happens after death, then death is not a null set.
Every firework’s color is eventually nothing (just as every life ends in death), does that mean every firework is actually the same color? I think nonsensical is the right word.
Correct.
But, most of the time, do any of us have any idea where we are going with anything? I bet many people are learning from this journey, though.
“The journey has a purpose but not necessarily a destiny.”
To be completely honest, the inspiration for this thread came out of teen angst. I was just tired of people being better than me. Consequently, I tried to create some justification for me being equal with everyone else. Thanks to all who participated, it has evolved past simply teen angst.
I am still confused on ‘different deaths’. When you die … you die, just as I will die. We are both dead; we are both not existing. How is that not the same thing?
If they don’t exist, how would I describe one?
No. It means that every firework eventually ends in death.
Some fireworks are bigger and brighter than others but they all end in death.
One life is meaningless, but when you look at yourself as a created creator you have a meaning, and your meaning is to create the next creator.
every person is born aware, every person forms different perceptions/conceptions, most people develop language skills, every sane person(or person of normal intellect) believes something. The validity of our beliefs are grounded in(reasoned from) science/experiance. Every person is unique in so far as they have a different physical mind/body than everyone else. But that said, we can also experiance similar events as other people, form similar beliefs, and agree on certain absolute facts. I think absolute facts are facts that are generally accepted as true by everyone of normal intellect. That said there are potentialy millions/billions of specific facts which can be learned by your average person and many more which require better than average skill. So, why should we care for what is common to all? I would rather waste my time trying to discover something rare than wasting my time with trivial facts. That said, rare does not suffice for intelligent, i can think of a lot of rare theorys but they usualy border upon absurd falsities. Your only profound if your right.
every person is born aware, every person forms different perceptions/conceptions, most people develop language skills, every sane person(or person of normal intellect) believes something. The validity of our beliefs are grounded in(reasoned from) science/experiance. Every person is unique in so far as they have a different physical mind/body than everyone else. But that said, we can also experiance similar events as other people, form similar beliefs, and agree on certain absolute facts. I think absolute facts are facts that are generally accepted as true by everyone of normal intellect. That said there are potentialy millions/billions of specific facts which can be learned by your average person and many more which require better than average skill. So, why should we care for what is common to all? I would rather waste my time trying to discover something rare than wasting my time with trivial facts. That said, rare does not suffice for intelligent, i can think of a lot of rare theorys but they usualy border upon absurd falsities. Your only profound if your rare and right.
Comrade Murdoc, the socialism needs people like you!
People that realize:
Alone life nothing, together life is everything!
With the presence of the global market, the nation does not need competition within itself anymore! The future should be put above the individual!
Comrade Duder, wouldn’t it be far better if each creator give to the whole nation? Resources and work should be pooled, and votes from the people of the highest IQ in the nation should also be forwarded as to what should be done. Privatization is rubbish! People can do nothing alone, and even a ritch man is pathetic compared to a nation!
Meritocratic Socialism!
1 great man is a better influence than a million fools.
You are very funny. Honestly. =D> Good show.