Armed Leftist Resisting ICE Shot and Killed

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The leftists here are operating on emotion. They do not want to see people kidnapped by federal thugs. They see people, parents, children, being harassed and abducted. Granted, they also do not see the criminals because the left is notoriously soft on crime. Their bleeding heart liberal attitude causes them a lot of intellectual errors. But that is just low hanging fruit. If you use that as an excuse to not examine your own side of things, you are falling right into the trap that has been set for you.

I wonder how so few people seem to understand the Hegelian dialectic. Problem, reaction, solution. Or the basic idea of divide and conquer. Or even just the simple logical fallacy of excluded middle.

How are none of you familiar with any of this?

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I am fully aware of that, leave me out of it!

I’ve been saying the two party system is garbage since over a decade ago…

Democrats and Republicans, most of them are retards if you ask me.

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Picture of the gun in case anybody wants to say he was unarmed.

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I don’t respond to infinite insinuations aka accusations.

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Who gives af if he was armed?

What kind of anti-2A shit is this?

Law enforcement should not go around killing armed or unarmed people.

What kind of clown shit is this? Laws are made to be broken, police are there to arrest people, obviously people are meant to be concealed carrying while having encounters with the police, its how the system is supposed to happen. Its not like police from another dimension, or police from Europe, never heard of concealed carry before.

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Did you see any of the videos of the scene? An ICE agent disarmed him, and then after that (less than a second later) another ICE agent shot him in the back.

This is the militant actions of federal thugs operating with license to kill from their daddy Capitalist in Chief Trump. The corporate media will spin it all they want, to keep the divide and conquer rhetoric going on both sides.

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@ProfessorX

That’s the problem with democratic liberal thinking, all emotions and feelings with very little logical or rational consistency.

The problem with conservative republicans is the lack of human empathy and desire for social cooperation.

And this is why I choose revolutionary Marxism as both are false choices to be stuck in between. Neither option is worth a damn.

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The guy saying he can’t look his kids in the eye and say he supports what ICE is doing is also a lawyer for Jonathan Ross, the ICE agent who killed Renee Good. Does he care about the people working at ICE?

Why do you think he’s so ashamed to call himself a Republican?

You’re consistently dismissing the people in Minnesota calling out ICE’s abuses a “leftists”, and Republicans are just not that. It’s not a lesbian mom, it’s not Tim Walz, it’s someone who clearly believes a lot of the same things as you believe about what’s happening, except that he lives in Minnesota and he can no longer look his children in the eye and continue to lie about what’s going on.

That’s why you should care.

Sorry, you’re asking me to post a video of ICE not having a warrant? What would such a video look like?

Evidence for ICE’s warrantless arrests in violation of the 4th Amendment looks like court opinions saying, “Plaintiffs have demonstrated a likelihood of success on the merits of their challenge to
defendants’ policy and practice of making warrantless civil immigration arrests without an
individualized determination supporting a probable cause finding of escape risk, as well as the
likelihood of their irreparable harm and the balance of equities in their favor.”

You’ve posted like 6 videos of the same WOW streamer, those aren’t “evidence”.

Administrative warrants do not satisfy constitutional warrant requirements. The warrant requirement is for a warrant signed by an Article 3 judge, i.e. a judge in the Judiciary branch of the federal government.

It’s intended to be a check on the power of the Executive, and administrative warrants are issued by individuals who report to the President. The Judiciary doesn’t report to the President, so the warrant requirement effectively entails an independent review of the use of the police power.

To be clear, there are a lot of immigration enforcement actions that don’t require a warrant; “warrantless” is not equivalent to illegal. But multiple courts have found that ICE is going beyond what the law permits it to do without a warrant.

I believe in you Mags, you can do it. Like this: “I agree that what ICE is doing is bad and it should stop.” I promise it will make you feel better.

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@futureone

If you reach for a gun while being apprehended law enforcement will shoot at you.

If you interfere in an arrest even if your gun is holstered they’ll still shoot at you on grounds of aggressive suspicion.

I think if liberals were more familiar with law enforcement proceedings and the laws behind them they might understand why things go down the way they do.

Sure, the laws and court proceedings can be very messed up, I think any rational person can agree with that. Nonetheless, the legal precedence for these sort of things are already there under law. Are laws insane and crazy? Sure they are, but until those laws are changed they are the way they are.

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Lol

This is what I believe..

  • The protesters are more ‘agitating’ than ‘protesting’

  • What the protesters may do next, is unpredictable

  • The ICE agents are uncertain of what the protestors may do next

  • The ICE agents are far too trigger-happy

Their crooked Officials have made their Protesters their shield.. it is probably time that their Officials were arrested.

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Are you under the impression that the ICE agents are there in reaction to the protesters?

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I assume that ICE were there doing their ‘thing’, then the protesters turned up, to foil ICE’s arrest-efforts.

  • I feel sorry for the Protesters, they are being used, but they are also acting like c*nts

  • ICE are doing what many voted for, in making their communities safe for them
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There are two sides to this, whether you like it or not.

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So, it sounds like what you are saying is… your main problem with ICE is they don’t dot every P and don’t follow the law to every exact letter, that is, they do not follow the law perfectly.

Am I correct to understand that, you support deporting all illegal aliens from this country, and you would support ICE if only they followed the laws absolutely perfectly? That, if you were in charge, and if you could, magically… you would deport every illegal alien from this country?

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Why?

There were two sides in WWII as well. Sometimes one of the sides is wrong.

No, my problem with ICE is that they are the tool of a regime with explicitly authoritarian ambitions. They have repeatedly kidnapped people based solely on the color of their skin, and disappeared them with no due process and no recourse. They’ve repeatedly defied court orders telling them to stop. They are not pursuing immigration enforcement, they are punishing Trump’s political enemies. That’s bad and wrong.

And now they’ve killed two people on camera, and the administration is doing everything it can to ensure that there are no investigations and no consequences for what everyone can see is at best deadly incompetence.

And the fact that a sizable share of Americans can’t admit that this is bad and wrong.

I disagree with current immigration laws, but my position on the current situation is based on the fact that ICE is not following the law. Not just imperfectly following the law: explicitly, repeatedly, intentionally violating the Constitution and court orders.

I disagree with the laws, but I respect the institutions of lawmaking. ICE does not. This administration does not. This is not about a disagreement over what the law should be. It is a disagreement over whether law enforcement should follow the law.

Like, again, why are they lying if their actions are lawful?

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Sounds like made up leftist bs.

99.7% of the arrests they make are valid, only 0.3% are American citizens. Naturally, leftist agitators will focus on the 0.3%. If ICE deport thousands of people then the 0.3% is going to seem like a lot, but it isn’t.

If they were about pursuing Trump’s enemies, they would have charged Tim Walz long ago. Instead he is allowed to get away with sedition, inciting riots, fraud, drug running and all manner of tomfoolery. :clown_face: Once again Trump TACOs out.

The only reason those 2 people are dead is because of leftist agitators who intentionally spread chaos everywhere because they want to make fools out of ICE. they follow ICE around blowing whistles and trying to get them feeling stress and distracted. So they can be victims of ICE. They need martyrs of ICE. They are doing this on purpose.

There are leftist agitators making videos saying to shoot ICE. They intentionally want to leftists to be martyrs of ICE, so that all the Peter Kropotkin’s and Carleas’s of the Internet can use it as their argument, to add to their list of leftist victims of ICE, in order to make ICE look bad.

Why are leftists lying if they hate lying? Leftists lie about everything.

And why did you not answer the question?

If you had the power to magically deport all or most illegal aliens would you or not?

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futureone:
@Peter_Kropotkin Leftists want illegal aliens in this country. That is why they hate ICE and want violent protests against ICE but they call the violent protests “peaceful” lowering their credibility even more.

Let’s face it Leftists think by accepting more Turd-Worlder criminals into America they will save America :joy:

There is nothing more to it than this and it all is summed up by only this.

K: and your evidence for this is, your tin foil hat? ICE/SS is killing Americans,
that should be enough to want them gone…BUT HAY, believe all that
other nonsense that has no proof of any kind…

Kropotkin

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Carrying a gun in the US is really good protection and keeps you safe :roll_eyes:

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Naw, multiple witnesses say bro-bro had a phone, not a gun. Okay. Then, the Feds will have to manufacture a whole fake gun purchase history in order to qualify the gun they have planted in their attempt to prevent a travesty. I’ll have my own investigators look into Pretti a bit for any gun history, interests in, etc., to try and forestall the Don and his boys from pulling it off. I’ll have to go up to my Alaskan compound for a while because I’ll be targeted by the CIA, but I’ll be back once this is over, and we have the Don and his administration by the balls. Over and out.

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Alright. State investigators were blocked from the scene… but the Feds still had to plant the gun and all that shit on the fly because they weren’t expecting what happened.

I need all personal phone records of calls made between agents and agencies during the period immediately following the shooting. They had to scramble to figure out what to do, and i want the commanding redneck who gave the order to plant that gun. We’re in the dark on this one, people, so i need you to be sharp.

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Tin foil hat stuff.

Where is the evidence ice is “killing americans”? Are you referring to Pretti again? The case is closed. ICE fucked up. ICE fucked up thanks to the continuous stress and chaos caused by leftist VIOLENT protesters and agitators they encounter every day in Minnesota. And they got ZERO help from Minnesota law enforcement who could have resolved the Pretti situation more peacefully.

As I said earlier, 99.7% of ICE arrests are legitimate, only 0.3% are innocent American citizens. And they are arrests, these people are deported to other countries, they are not murdered by ICE. Saying that ICE goes around murdering people sounds like conspiracy tinfoil hat leftist caca. You provide zero evidence at all.

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