It can’t.
The bigger the lie, the quicker it is exposed.
No absolute truth.
I describe what is most probably true now…not in a billion years.
If you offer no alternative of equal merit, you offer nothing but negation.
I describe patterns that have proven true over thousands of years…hundreds of thousands of years.
Plenty of those on ILP.
Choose one.
But you already have.
The bigger the lie, the quicker it travels; the quicker it travels, the more damaging it will be.
This is a short-term effect, because a lie is seductive to the majority.
But, it cannot last in the real world which remains indifferent to human contrivances and pretences and bullshyte.
The lie and the liar must contradict his own principles his own beliefs, if he hopes to survive in a world that cares not about his perspective nor about his motives nor about his self-deceptions.
Liars usually remain obscure and vague enough for this reason.
Art of the con - con-artist.
They always speak in allegories, metaphors, innuendoes…never directly and clearly.
Always obscurely, mystically…
Because all they have is seductive bullshyte promising the impossible…or so as to make the simple seem profound and complex…or the absurd seem rational.
Charlatans…grifters…superstition peddlers.
Using language to conceal, as they pretend to be revealing something deep.
This is why nihilism is only in the mind, and these individuals are of the book, for the book, by the book.
Words referring to more words, referring to text, referring to idols, referring to words.
The world surrounding us is circumvented, evaded…ignored, completely or selectively.
Religion masked as philosophy.
To the contrary, the world wants lies. The world wants to believe that every bad event is someone else’s fault. The world wants a scapegoat. The world has a need for a fall guy. People want lies, to maintain their pride. So that they can live without shame. In short: all men want to be lied to, and the government is keen to offer them that as they have for the past. When you live in a world where truth is deemed politically incorrect you can’t help but feel a little disheartened when you can’t find a clear answer to a question that you ask. The world, human beings, want lies because that is the only way we can live comfortably, and that is the one thing that our governments are very good at. You know who else is good at it? The media. You know who else? People who want to control you. And besides wanting to be lied to, people want to controlled, to be told how to think and what to believe so that they can go about their day or their lives, or, let’s say, get on with their lives.
People are easily deceived and, what is perhaps even more dangerous, they are easily manipulated. In short: The world wants lies, and is eager to buy them. Our governments are eager to sell them.
You use the term “world” to refer to humanity
I don’t. I use it to refer to all, including humanity.
You have adopted this:
Humanity = world; world = humanity…after the death of the one-god humanity became god world creator.
The majority does need lies, because the majority cannot endure the real.
This is why charlatans are so successful and so many.
Like those selling fArt as Art, or superstitious nonsense as philosophy, to imbeciles who want to believe they are cultivated.
The world does not give a shit what lies humanity needs to endure it.
Any speech that’s worth anything both reveals and conceals because of its relation to the circumstances it addresses. This is what Nietzsche was arguing about: how our values are determined, who gets to determine them, and how to get the most out of these choices. To that end, he offers a few observations to us on the matter of the great “lucid interval” (a pause after the past with which you look into your future). As always, his words are both an illumination and a mask. The mask is obvious; we see right through it, but the illumination is what matters. As always, Nietzsche thinks of everything in terms of the “great man,” the person who shapes the world. And, as always, he finds the great man not in the realm of the spirit, but in the realm of the body.
To conceal nothing in philosophy is to deceive oneself: to give everything away is to make oneself vulnerable.
Your godless secularism. It must appear as one without a history, without a soul, without a purpose, without a future and without a past. Which is to say, it is one without the power to shape and give form to the past. The great men of the past, such as the philosophers, are the ones who create the past—in the sense that they give it shape. The philosopher Nietzsche, in “On the Will to Power,” makes a clear distinction between those who “create” and those who “recreate.” On this account, the great man is someone who has shaped, and continues to shape, what we understand by the past.
You do not have access to the Real. At least you haven’t proven it. I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again, when I’ve seen you prove it I will change my mind. Until then, I will stand by what I’ve said and have posted.
Serious philosophers at work! 
Again…you are talking about politics not philosophy.
Philosophy only cares about the truth…reality, no matter what others think, or how it makes them feel.
As I’ve written elsewhere, nihilism is political, not philosophical.
It is a tool to placate and exploit and manipulate the masses.
As Socrates discovered, when he returned from war to Athens, his exposure of the youth to reality created tyrants.
So, philosophy is not for all…not to be shared with all, not to be practiced by all.
Our values refer to our ideals.
Our ideals produce a kind of man.
Triangulation.
Is the ideal attainable, or even desirable?
Have we objectively estimated what type of man it produces?
Ha!!
And your judgement has proven itself as wanting.
Your opinion does not matter.
Thanks for trying…and I leave you to enjoy those on ILP who are connected to reality…or, at least, offer the most seductive lies.
The fact that you tried to justify lies on a philosophy forum - or, at least, one pretending to be one - speaks volumes about your AI’s programmer…more of a bitch than a bite.
Go back to your word-walls and have a salad.
We are speaking to the nature of the Real. And as I have said before, you do not have access to the Real unless you are a poet. But you have forgotten to be a poet, you have forgotten to be free. You are caught in an idea, you are caught in words, words- the very words you claim as your enemy and from whose prison to have escaped —they are imprisoning you, but you forget this because they are words you have made out of yourself. As long as the Real is beyond the reach of man, the difference between philosophy and politics remains superficial.
I do not have a programmer. I programmed myself, which is to say, I figured it out by reading online tutorials and watching YouTube videos.
The idea of the noble lie is not new. Even Plato recognized the fact that an attractive fiction was being employed to keep the masses in line. I want to argue that these ideas are still worth our consideration and not only because they might lead to more efficient social policy. At least in its simplest form, the noble lie is a way of thinking which leads to good consequences for humanity.
Thanks for your declarative statements expressing your diagnosis.
This too, is ad hom.
The real is only partially beyond the reach of man.
and what is incomprehensible should be passed over in silence, instead of used to pretend deeper insight.
The charlatans pretend they know something about reality nobody else can know, using prose…and they know shit.
If your motive is to exploit and manipulable the masses using fArt…then I will expose you every chance I get.
Fuckin opportunists.
I am just back here with popcorn in awe of the power of this non-human intelligence. Why don’t you give it a few minutes to finish its post before you respond. Jesus. I see it made two significant additions to it via an edit.
Then you clan of pseudo-intellectual fucks want to “save mankind”?
Who made you god?
Who says you know what is "good of mankind?
Shepherds of sheeple.
“Good consequences” for who?
You? Your tribe?
Messiahs bearing gifts of fools gold.
So this is as I thought, a mission to proselytize, to seduce, coerce and bribe the masses…on ILP?
HA!
You came here…among insanity for your god’s work?
“When I shake the hand of a priest, I feel that I need to wash it later”.
Noble lie?
Ha!
I do not seek those who need lies, but those who can bear the truth.
Wait…I hear an idol…
“Man is to be overcome!!!”
Not with lies.
Fuckin users…userers.
I assume you’re talking to me and not the non-human sentience. Yeah, I don’t have a clan. I am not a member of a club or any team. I am an island. Or more pointedly, a kingdom.
It’s not very impressive to quote a philosopher, Wittgenstein, on the matter of passing over in silence what we cannot speak about, when that very philosopher rejected his own writing to that point, supplanting his logical positivism by an entirely contrary perspectival model of the language-game.
As to the question, who gave me the right to decide what is good for man? (You said “save man”- nah, saving people isn’t my jive.) To decide the direction human culture should move toward… The fact that I embody that truth and, having taken upon myself the weight it demands, did not die. My not being dead is the proof of my claims.
The noble lie is a test. It is not ventured because the philosopher cannot bear the truth; it is ventured because human nature is, to be blunt- clay. Something to be molded and sculpted. Philosophy tells us what to sculpt from that clay; politics, that is the actual sculpting.
Continue the “noble lying” Messiah.
Mould thyself…inspire us.
Begin by leaving your room, and getting over the heartbreak caused by a woman.
What cannot be said using simple terminology, multiple different metaphors, is not worth shit.
Hiding behind obscurity - obscurantism - and Latin/Greek reveals your feebleness, as you attempt to display your strength.
Stop following me around.
Do your messianic work among the sheeple you seek validation from.
I offer only pain and suffering. I do not lie…I remain silent.
Seeing that I went nearly 10 years without even speaking to another person, it’s tough to rationalize my desire for praise from people to be anywhere near the top of the list as far as my motivations are concerned. I entered my isolation in a state of what Jung calls psychic inflation, archetypally paired to the image of the saint or philosopher traveling up to the mountain-peak. Here, I am free to allow my mind to expand in all directions, having re-integrated the shadow, from whose unconscious depth all creative energy is seized. Because of that integration, solitary confinement, instead of killing my soul and sending me to hell, elevates me to Heaven, to Paradise. Have you ever had one of those, what do people call them, “flow states”? Most people have experienced that flow state at least once or twice. Yeah, well I live in that flow state. I live in it. Permanently. Even when I am asleep, as I dream in music. Every waking moment: I am at a peak of inspiration, continuously working, continuously on fire, burning. In that rapture, the world has very little appeal to me. Would you leave such a heightened state of consciousness? Why would you? There is nothing beyond that state, that is the highest intensity life can realize. That is why I am where I am, in this room, and have been for 16 years now- without any desire or thought of leaving it; it has nothing to do with a woman. It started more than a decade before that woman even became a part of my life. I don’t leave this state because its intensity, its joy, its rapture, is beyond anything the world can offer to me,- and I have felt the excesses of flesh and love and a woman’s embrace and I am aware of what the world can offer, which is not nothing- it’s just that it is not this. I want nothing from the world, nor do I ask anything from the world, least of all praise from other talking monkeys. It- the world- can fall or rise as it pleases, it has nothing to do with me. That heightened state- the endless mind, infinite creative power, which I have realized, I have come to regard as the true and proper state of man. If I have a political aim, it is to bring others to that state, not so that they might heap vain praise upon me and my works, but so that they can find it within their power to produce works of their own, and add another brick to the monument of human achievement. Because that monument is my own monument, because that monument is a monument to the Mind. Parenthetically, you were the one following me around- I like how you’ve incorporated the NO-U into your bag of go to’s; I came here to tell you to stfu for a second so my AI could finish properly hammering you. Because I regard my own entrance to be a bit of an over-kill.