…why do you believe that “Causality” is the rational basis for “Determinism”?
What is a Cause? Who “Determines” Causes, if not Humans, if not Yourself?
If it’s up to you, subjectively, to “determine causes”, then why would you then claim there is some sort of ‘Objective’ basis for causality, such that Determinism can extend from that logically?
Can you produce any sound or reasonable argument on behalf of either Causality or Determinism?
I don’t think you can…
Is democracy overdetermined self-causality?
Is tryranny… underdetermined?
Just curious.
Causality and determinism are not mutually exclusive to one another, one is determined by the other. I am confused to what you are saying.
RealUn:
…why do you believe that “Causality” is the rational basis for “Determinism”?
What is a Cause? Who “Determines” Causes, if not Humans, if not Yourself?
If it’s up to you, subjectively, to “determine causes”, then why would you then claim there is some sort of ‘Objective’ basis for causality, such that Determinism can extend from that logically?
Can you produce any sound or reasonable argument on behalf of either Causality or Determinism?
I don’t think you can…
K: a rather confused thread… how does being a liberal, atheist,
connect to ''determinism?" I am very much a liberal and an
atheist, and I reject determinism… I hold that by holding
onto religions, to a god, that is the path to determinism…
being an liberal or an atheist, I hold that I self-determine
my life… I set my own values and beliefs first…
I ‘‘determine’’ who I am and what it means to be
a human being…
and I really don’t understand this idea you present of
causality… what does being liberal or an atheist,
have to do with causality? in being liberal, or an
atheist means that causality is caused by, non-determined
events or values…I hold that life is just as ‘‘caused’’ by
random events or chance or probability as anything else…
to say there is a god is to say, we are determined,
but in reality, chance or random events play a large
role in who we are and what it means to be human…
we are far more ‘‘determined’’ by randomness and
chance than by god or religions…
I believe that life itself is random, and full of chance
and even, perhaps, the major nature of existence
is probability… not god nor religions, but chance
and the random nature of the universe…
that drives my belief system, chance and randomness…
Kropotkin
This is the funniest shit I’ve read in a while here.
Thanks for that 
…or is one caused by the other? 
Technically, “Democracy” is supposed to be determined by the masses, mob-rule. The whims of the nation, the feels, the emotions, are in control of that style of “government”. The American left fears the American right, under the rule of populist President Donald Trump, because Trump is fit to lead and manipulate the emotions, feelings, and desires of his followers.
The Leftists are jealous that they do not have such leadership.
They accuse the American right of ‘tyranny’, simply because they have fallen out of power and popular favor.
So you believe people are pre-determined to believe in “Causality”, or not?
What if every individual in a nation that has a balance of powers also internally balances their powers?
I mean, clearly we do not have that balance as a nation or individually. But what if?
Judicial, Judgment
Legislative, Reason
Executive, Understanding
An admirable mindset, although your ideology is misguided.
How “large a role” does randomness play for you? Obviously, you don’t believe that two people mating will “randomly” produce any outcome; humans cannot “randomly” give birth to other species or vice-versa, correct? You believe in genetic continuity. You believe in “Physics”, Gravity, Heliocentricism, “The Sciences”, correct?
Was it as funny as your last meager attempt at Philosophy?
Anybody with self-control is not going to want to be Governed by a system of rules (Democracy) that leverages masses of people without self-control, over them. Democracy has many, many weak points.
A true democracy’s “masses of people” are self-governing (self-controlled/-balanced).
This requires training that does not leverage them with bread and circuses… or triage them to death with “emergency use authorized” euthanization… infant organ trafficking… or war.
True power sets free.
Democracy stems from Athens and Hellenic, Greek political philosophy. It most proliferated in history in Western Europe. The only times that it proves successful, is when it utilizes extensive, mass public “education”, homogeneity, and when those societies are not heavily leveraged by Zionist/Jewish mass-media, which tends to overtake and overpower Western Democracies.
Democracy is symbiotic to Western/French Liberalism, which proposes (Universal) ‘Equality’, “Brotherhood of Man”, Fraternity – Liberté, égalité, fraternité.
Actually, the Greeks got it from the Jews, who got it from Moses’ father-in-law Jethro. It was first implemented (as wanderers, but…) in Canaan after they cleansed the land (mostly) of those who murdered their babies… after being freed from slavery to baby-murderers.
And, um. All your heart, soul, and strength ain’t gonna rewrite history.
I don’t remember.
Jews are not Democratic; they adapt to any political ideology and are therefore Theocratic.
Their religion takes precedent over their social collectives. They, however, take advantage of Democracies through their specialization over Mass Media. Jews dominate Americans, for example, through their monopolization of American Media / Hollywood.
The fruition of the Jews’ theocracy is being self-ruled via the Golden Rule — the sum of the Law & Prophets — regardless who thinks they are in power.
The only true Master became slave of all to write it in blood, so.
Anywhayz.
The Golden Rule is distinctly Christian (Hellenic symbiosis), and broke from Judaism. Jews, to this day, believe in “Eye for an Eye” morality, and demonstrate this in the Middle East as recently as Oct. 7th. They are currently, desperately, trying to drag USA into a war against Iran, to use to their advantage.
Blood feuds reign supreme in the Middle East, as is Arabic-Semitic tradition.
Love your neighbor as yourself is out of Leviticus. Just another way of saying self=other.
Here’s more.
Transcultural, because no culture without it.