That was just to be fair and not “overkill”.
A little theory Hammurabi is Abraham (and Nabonidus is Nebuchadnezzar) (and Gutians are Jews). Abraham came out of Ur, who had the code of Ur-Nammu.
Jesus didn’t do anything new except to say don’t just do the bare minimum that all cultures do. Flip the script and love your enemy. But, it wasn’t so much new as it was pushing the reset button, because even that is implied by the Golden Rule.
The main difference is that Western Civilization (Hellenism) believes in Universal Ethics (Ethos) while Eastern Civilization (Arabic-Semitic) does not. Jews do not believe that their enemies deserve Mercy nor Compassion. They are distinctly Not-Christian.
This derives further from the Greek notion of Justice (Republic-anism).
I’d say there have been displays of justice and injustice from every culture, and every individual in them.
Justice is how a culture, people, and society demonstrates its Legacy and Power.
Tyrannies are overthrown because they are a cultural Weakness, a waning of political power.
If you say so, Satyr.
Do you really believe he’d say the same about Justice?
S/He self-contradicts on purpose. So… I dunno. Depends.
RealUn:
An admirable mindset, although your ideology is misguided.
How “large a role” does randomness play for you? Obviously, you don’t believe that two people mating will “randomly” produce any outcome; humans cannot “randomly” give birth to other species or vice-versa, correct? You believe in genetic continuity. You believe in “Physics”, Gravity, Heliocentricism, “The Sciences”, correct?
K: much of science is about explaining randomness and chance…
Take evolution for example, the very heart of evolution is
the role of probability plays in the transmission of DNA or
genetics from parents to children… Genetic mutations
are by their very nature, random… and a women giving
birth to another species, would destroy the theory
of evolution… or take the asteroid that hit the Earth
66 million years ago and caused the K-T extinction event…
that too was random, chance…(if it wasn’t random
chance that caused the asteroid to hit the Earth, then
it was a deliberate, designed event… and you have
to explain to me how that works)
Science leaves a fair amount of room for randomness
and chance to exists within the universe…much of
biology is about randomness as I pointed out,
as is Astronomy, as is geology…
now we can’t say for sure about science like Gravity,
because we know so little about the forces of Gravity,
we can’t be sure what role that probability and chance
play in the force of Gravity… in our day to day lives,
such events as Tornados and firestorms, are to
a great extent, random… which house gets flattened
by the Tornado or firestorm is random… (as a kid
living in the Midwest, near Chicago, I personally saw
the random nature of the damage Tornados cause
and the recent LA fires also demonstrate the random
nature of fires… not all houses were burn down
in a given area, most, but not all)
I live in the San Francisco Bay area, and Earthquakes
are an ever-present danger, but the Earthquakes themselves
are, by their nature, random and they do random damage
depending on the Earthquake itself… I have gone through
several Earthquakes including the big 1989 quake…
the random nature of the damage was quite surprising…
the very random nature of the universe is, in part, why
I cannot hold to or believe in a god or in religions…
they cannot explain random, chance events that
dominate our lives…
One more example of randomness… it was a
couple of random events that cause my own
hearing loss… and after my mom got German
Measles, it was random which part of my body
was damaged, and given that a month later
or a month earlier of getting those Measles,
very different, random damage would have occurred…
my handicap, was created by random events…
events that were out of mine and my mother control…
that is by its very nature, random, chance…
the question is not how we try to escape randomness,
but how we learn to deal with it, it must become
part of our own philosophy for it to make any sense…
I believe that philosophy is incomplete because
it fails to account for randomness and chance in
our lives… for if something is not random, by chance,
then it was planned for, designed and that leads us
to some very difficult problems…
Kropotkin
I must admit surprise by how readily reaffirm your acknowledgement of Randomness / Chaos as essential to your ideology and mindset. Usually, Leftists do cede their moral righteousness to Scientific Empiricism and Objectivity: “Trust the Science”. But you did dodge the matter of predictability and expectation of basic DNA and reproduction. Nobody truly expects an African child from a Chinese pair, a Mayan child from an African pair, a Dutch child from a Mayan pair, etc. Thus “randomness” refers explicitly to a range of predictions and expectations.
Kropotkin, where do you believe the pandemic Corona virus originated? Naturally from a Chinese food market? Or artificially from a gain-of-function Biolab? If you believe the latter, then wouldn’t that refute your dependence upon Leftist-dominated Mass Media?
underlying assumption: nature is 100% original, 0% artificial.
underlying implication: the artificial is creative… supernatural, even
underlying question: how can that which is 0% artificial contain 100% supernatural reality and creativity and artificiality?
underlying further questions: you cannot suss out what is nature and what is nurture can you? Why do you think you can suss out what is natural and what is supernatural?
underlying synthesis: you can at least be sure that the created (supernatural) includes that which is original (natural), and the original (natural) includes that which is creative (supernatural) — you just don’t know which one is original and which one is supernatural do ya? …because doesn’t it seem like original would be supernatural over and above the created/creative? … and isn’t what we are calling natural… that which is created?
underlying something something: creating towards the eternal is a thing
like a golden spiral enduring within the face of a perdured circle
Alterego: extra crispy
What Humanity calls Un-natural, Super-natural, Artificial, etc. is simply Mankind’s ego attempting to take credit for tinkering or altering Physics. This is what humans call “Science”. The Left exalt “The Sciences” as their Clergy, as their Religion. The Right have more nuanced interpretations of Nature and Artifice. To the Right, God is the ultimate, absolute Artificer, the Being / Creature / Entity which can change or supersede, override Nature.
To Leftists, Scientists are their ‘Gods’.
To Rightists, the Abrahamic God, is their God.
In either case, these are the ones (Authorities) who dictate Reality and Truth.
These are the ‘Determinators’ of Reality and Existence.
If the sciences study creation (nature)… are they not studying… art?
Just curious.
You mean like Bob Ross? Hells to the Yes!
RealUn:
Kropotkin, where do you believe the pandemic Corona virus originated? Naturally from a Chinese food market? Or artificially from a gain-of-function Biolab? If you believe the latter, then wouldn’t that refute your dependence upon Leftist-dominated Mass Media?
K: are you suggesting that the ‘‘black death’’ the Bubonic Plague,
was created in a Chinese Biolab? that a virus can never
begin naturally and it must have been manmade for it
to have occurred and kill millions? Or the ‘‘Spanish flu’’
1918 that killed millions, could only have come from
a biolab? naturally occurring viruses can’t possibly exist?
is that your argument?
Kropotkin
Science and/or Religion being used as a governance ‘divination’ tool?
What ratio or alternative/s do you envision as a vehicle for optimal change and furtherment for a more gracious and civil society?
When I learned the virus had a less than 1% mortality rate, I simply put 2 and 2 together:
Aristocracy, building your own family as a political power, has always been primary resistance against corruption and tyranny in society. If the world around you is trash, then you simply have to overcome it.
Absolute garbage.
Aristocracies have historically benefited from entrenched privilege and have often worked to preserve their own power at the expense of broader social equity. Rather than resisting tyranny, they have frequently been the tyrants — or at least complicit in sustaining unjust systems.
In pre-revolutionary France, the aristocracy resisted reforms and clung to their tax-exempt status, contributing to widespread social unrest. In medieval Europe, aristocratic families often engaged in violent power struggles, not to resist tyranny, but to dominate others.
The historical ignorance displayed on ILP is horrendous!
This is the Tyranny of the Left… your tyranny.
Of course you don’t want others to resist your perverse, corrupt, deluded ideology.