Faith is self-sufficient and does not need refutations or its own failure. It is pointless to shove a believer’s nose in their own mess.
Asking me to prove or demonstrate something that is literally unprovable from our present (corporeal) perspective, seems a bit much, don’t you think?
All I can do is theorize that if our inner “I Am-ness” and mind…
(of which I am suggesting is just another name for the “soul,” which, itself, is just another name for whatever our eternal form truly is)
…does indeed survive the death of the body, then simple logic dictates that after all of the gender denoting features of our present state of being…
(vaginas / penises / ovaries / testicles / chromosomes, etc.)
…have been discarded,…
(buried / cremated / mummified / eaten by wolves, etc.)
…then that which is “born out” of those gendered carcasses…
…is probably going to be something wholly different from what it seemed to be while occupying a gendered body here on earth.
However, my ultimate point (or speculative “suggestion”) is that in the higher context of “True Reality” into which our souls are going to be “delivered” (birthed) via the process of death, we are no longer going to be different from one another as we are now in this lower (“womb-like”) dimension of reality.
In other words, in “True Reality” there is no such thing as gender, or race, or ethnicity, or class barriers, or “male-like” souls, or “female-like” souls, etc., or anything else that might divide us as they do here on earth.
No, the only beings that exist in, again, “True Reality,” are equal family members of the “highest species of being” in all of reality itself.
And what that furthermore means is that in the higher context of reality in which we are all destined to live and eternally evolve together as fully equal beings,…
…again, what that means is that in “True Reality,” there are no “devils,” or “demons,” or “angels,” or “jinn,” or “ghosts,” or “bardos,” or multiple “heavens,” or multiple hells," nor any of the other strange denizen’s or bizarre realms suggested in the mythological nonsense handed down to us from ancient minds.
Have you also heard of there being any “astral realm” babies being born?
Come on now, HumAnIze, we’ve all “heard” lots of crazy things…
(indeed, the same can be said of the ideas that I am promoting)
…but that doesn’t mean that the claim you heard wasn’t based on some sexual fantasy (or vivid dream) that someone may have experienced.
Well, I suggest that the real reason why there are “…sexed divisions in the body…” is because human bodies are a part of the mechanistic “system” by which new eternal souls are awakened into existence.
In other words, even God needs to employ a logical process when it comes to creating a brand-new soul (created in her own image), as opposed to just :::poofing::: them into existence at the snap of divine fingers.
In which case, God uses the sexual “system” of human bodies to perform the miracle that not only results in the creation of our own offspring here in the corporeal realm,…
…but also serves as the method by which God gives birth to her own offspring…
(in the form of eternal souls like herself)
…which are each destined to be born into her higher context of reality.
Now, of course I could be completely wrong about all of this,…
…however, I challenge anyone to come up with a concept of reality and that of our ultimate and eternal destiny that is more “Natural” and more “Organic” and more “Perfectly Equal” for all of us, than the one I am proposing.
Yeah. So what do you think, I am asking you? To fucking explain WHY you claim such a CLEAR and CERTAIN KNOWLEDGE about this.
Because, um. If you already know that, like, it’s unprovable, then, ummm… your absolute positions of certainty espoused here are, obviously, trash.
So, maybe try again? With less pretentiousness this time please.
Yeah so. Again. You gotta demonstrate precisely WHY you make such unequivocal claims to this knowledge. Which, as far as I can see, is just some stuff you say… ok fine. You have your beliefs. Great. Kindly either argue for them, explain WHY you believe in them, or… limit them to statements like “I believe that…” or “I have faith that…” and we can all get along far more honestly.
Actually the point was that, sexual spiritual intercourse can occur between souls. Maybe for you all those souls are bisexual or ambigenders or whatever. Ok, great, So prove it.
As far as I know, actual babies are only born in physical embodiments as a consequence of literal physical sex. Then again, Jesus was supposedly born of a virgin impregnated spiritually by God. So. Eh. I’m sure you don’t believe any of that.
The sexuality in astral realms I was talking about, which I have heard about through other sources and which of course I cannot prove or even really argue for because I have no experience with such things myself, is precisely between Male and Female souls. Very sexed divisions here. But that is just me saying stuff I have heard and read before. I condition it appropriately.
It is you, apparently, who KNOWS for ABSOLUTE CERTAIN KNOWLEDGE what you are claiming. Which I find odd, since you offer no explanations, demonstrations, evidences, proofs or arguments in favor of what you are claiming. Just… the fact you said it. We are supposed to believe. So, um, ahh… yeah, no. Philosophy doesn’t work like that.
Honestly, why do you need multiple usernames, @PZR?
The only proof of reality is the reality itself, not how some idiot perceives it. You should learn the definitions of human words — that would make a lot of things clearer. For example: Spirit — the force that defines essence, granting the right to be, to exist. Spirituality — a bluff invented by the clergy (servants of the cult) to elevate themselves above the so-called less spiritual. There is no such thing as a spiritual world. There is a world of spirits. Moreover, soul and spirit are different concepts. The soul is the matrix, the vessel that holds the experience of a lived life.
Yeah. Seriously, this is (really tempting to curse here). How is this not getting through? Sex is a physical act. The form it takes depends on fantasies, perversions, and traditional views. What the hell kind of sexual act is there between souls or spirits?
What’s true is that souls and spirits can receive their share during a human sexual act. Alright, here’s an example for you. Succubi and incubi are parasitic entities that feed off sexual attraction. In the astral realm, they’re easy to “pick up” (if you break certain rules), but getting rid of them is not just hard, it’s pretty much impossible. These entities don’t engage in sex, either with each other or with humans. They simulate intercourse, draining the person’s vitality and spiritual energy. In the astral, they might look like sweethearts, even taking the shape of someone you desire, but it’s just an imitation of sexual intercourse, not real sex. Though, the loss of spiritual energy is guaranteed.
Stop talking nonsense if you have no experience interacting at the level of spirits.
Demon:
Isn’t it amusing that the Demon had already considered all the definitions of the word ‘idiot’? Want to laugh some more? Education is the forced imposition of false representations of reality. And if you realize that the process of education (learning) is funded by the authorities, you’ll come to an even more brilliant conclusion. Education is literally dumbing people down, turning them into stupid, mindless, herd-like, submissive cattle. So, how’s that? Funny
K: this is a remarkable ignorant statement… ok, how do
we ‘‘educate’’ people then? and don’t be vague, lay
out specific ideas of how we are to educate people
given our modern technological world today? or do
you hate technology as much as you hate education?
and do you think we should reject all technology,
which is dependent on people being educated…
the question becomes this… what is the point
and value of education? Ok, you hate educated people,
we get that, so what is your proposal to educate people?
and why that road and not another…
Let us take your proposal seriously and eliminate
all schools… there is no longer any sort of public education,
now what? What do you suggest?
Kropotkin
What’s more childish… saying there’s 2 genders, or pretending that there’s more than 2?
Even 5-year-old kids know there’s only 2 genders… that is, until, you and the other freak Leftists lie and gaslight these young children with your sick ideologies.
Have you ever met a Schizophrenic, Krapotkin? I’m sure you have, if you live within a 20 mile vicinity of San Francisco.
You cannot reason with them. Most of them accelerate their schizophrenia with drugs and methamphetamine addictions. It’s a perfect analogy, for you and your Leftist ideology.
There are only 2 genders. Deal with it.
Where’s the eye-roll emoji…? Let me see…
There it is!
Yes, we “need to look past the material” in order to fuel Leftist mass-delusions and disconnection from Reality. I’m very, very aware of that, thank you for the reminder Seeds!
It’s becoming clearer to me now that Leftism revolves around disconnection from reality, maintaining socialistic mass-delusions, preserving “innocence” (absolved from Moral Responsibility), Unreality, than ever before.
The fatal flaw of Leftism though, is that you cannot ‘wish’ the approaching train away. You need to get off the tracks, or be pulverized by Reality. Mass-delusions in societies have a steep cost and upkeep. Societies that refuse to confront Reality, refuse to respect Nature, are doomed in the end. They cannot last. The upkeep and cost becomes too much for them to bear. It all comes crashing down, what Pezer called “The Singularity”, “End of the World”.
Has @PZR disappeared to only-quoted land with @James_S_Saint?
Oh, hello! Are you bored again? Let’s go and aggravate a few people on forums. Is that what you’re about?
I have no time for you I’m afraid.
RealUn:
It’s becoming clearer to me now that Leftism revolves around disconnection from reality, maintaining socialistic mass-delusions, preserving “innocence” (absolved from Moral Responsibility), Unreality, than ever before.
K: a bit vague are we… how about we get specific and provide us
with a point by point example of what you mean by, say for example,
‘‘maintaining socialistic mass-delusions’’ what does that mean,
exactly?
R: The fatal flaw of Leftism though, is that you cannot ‘wish’ the approaching train away. You need to get off the tracks, or be pulverized by Reality. Mass-delusions in societies have a steep cost and upkeep. Societies that refuse to confront Reality, refuse to respect Nature, are doomed in the end. They cannot last. The upkeep and cost becomes too much for them to bear. It all comes crashing down, what Pezer called “The Singularity”, “End of the World”.
K: and once again, rather vague… please be specific and
say exactly what you mean and give examples… ‘‘societies
that refuse to confront reality, refuse to respect nature,
are doomed in the end’’ give us examples as to what societies
and what reality did they refuse to confront?
stop being incredible vague and show us some specific
examples of what you mean…
Kropotkin
Anybody on a Philosophy Forum should know how many genders there are… shameful that you either don’t know, despite pushing 70-years-old, OR… you’re just outright lying. I’m leaning toward the latter, in order to give you Charity.
Yes, what I mean is, when it comes to parents teaching their infant and young child about life, the world, and existence, children often begin their understandings with fictions and fantasies. Young children are taught Santa Clause is real. Young children are taught God is real. Young children are taught Easter Bunnies, dragons, monsters, fairies, you name it.
This Fantasy-Realm is where the Left wants to stay, permanently. Leftists want society’s Authorities to protect them from negative consequences of their own faulty decisions, and, to maintain childish-innocence forever.
You could put the conservative right in place of leftists, too. They use law enforcement to protect their property — law enforcement that would not do the same for a defenseless old lady constantly verbally assaulted by her son into using her credit card under durress — maintaining his infantile parasitism forever.