atheists+theists are wrong

[turtle]

@phyllo

I just want to take this discussion to a higher level…but no one is going there…you can say the title is bad…you can blame all kinds of things but people do not want to go to new ground…

Then you should lead the way, break new ground and stake out your high level position.

I don’t have a high level POSITION…but I am noticing how we are using religion to destroy ourselves…many people I know leave
everything up to god…they tell others there is nothing you can do…I think first we need to set GOD aside for awhile and solve our problem of destroying ourselves and others…we are not taking personal responsibility…we just PRAY

[phyllo]

But turtle, this is only MY perspective but where IS the new ground? I don’t mean to offend here only to challenge and perhaps that in itself is a bit of hubris in me? I don’t know either way. But look around - there have been so many threads of this kind - about the god concept. All I’m saying is that maybe it would be a good idea to start with a fresh new concept, insofar as the god discussion goes. I realize that it is difficult to come up with fresh new ground, ideas, fresh running water so to speak but You turtle are a scientist I think.

Come from a scientific point of view though perhaps that has also been done multitudinous times.
Can there be a way in which posters can discuss god in a fresh new light? I don’t know.
Draw people in by saying more, by saying something different, giving more from a different perspective. That might whet their appetites for more.
Or you can just completely ignore me. Maybe what I’m saying here is all wrong or more wrong than I think.
Sometimes these conversations about god are like drinking flat soda but I don’t know how to make them more stimulating.
But what we do need is a more stimulation conversation about the god thingy.
I’m an agnostic so I can certainly deal with.
The only thing that i can say here is that I really have no idea if there is or isn’t Something which we call god which is a reality.

Lady, you have hit on many of the problems with ILP discussions.

• nothing new presented
• afraid to cause offense
• quickly offended

Resulting discussion : bland and repetitive.

And the other side of the coin…

• rants intended to insult and offend

[phyllo]

I don’t have a high level POSITION…but I am noticing how we are using religion to destroy ourselves…many people I know leave
everything up to god…they tell others there is nothing you can do…I think first we need to set GOD aside for awhile and solve our problem of destroying ourselves and others…we are not taking personal responsibility…we just PRAY

People are overwhelmed by complexity. They don’t know how to solve problems. They find that decisions are stressful. They rely on others to think for them.
But when religion is removed, people are still the same. They just follow a different group of leaders.

[turtle]

@phyllo

I don’t have a high level POSITION…but I am noticing how we are using religion to destroy ourselves…many people I know leave
everything up to god…they tell others there is nothing you can do…I think first we need to set GOD aside for awhile and solve our problem of destroying ourselves and others…we are not taking personal responsibility…we just PRAY

People are overwhelmed by complexity. They don’t know how to solve problems. They find that decisions are stressful. They rely on others to think for them.
But when religion is removed, people are still the same. They just follow a different group of leaders.

phyllo can you take us to a higher level than the GOD thing

[phyllo]

God is irrelevant. It is unimportant … whether you believe in God or not… whether you believe in the right God… whether you have the right religion… whether you have spirituality or not.

God cannot be created or destroyed.

God is always in the background or always missing from the background.

All is as it is.

You are in the foreground. Your actions determine what kind of life you and others will have.

[turtle]

@phyllo

God is irrelevant. It is unimportant … whether you believe in God or not… whether you believe in the right God… whether you have the right religion… whether you have spirituality or not.

God cannot be created or destroyed.

God is always in the background or always missing from the background.

All is as it is.

You are in the foreground. Your actions determine what kind of life you and others will have.

yes…what actions do we need to take on ILP

[phyllo]

yes…what actions do we need to take on ILP

Nothing is going to happen at ILP. It’s a waste of time.

[turtle]

@phyllo

yes…what actions do we need to take on ILP

Nothing is going to happen at ILP. It’s a waste of time.

you are one of the constructive ones…there is a lot of crap…what suggestions do you have for me

[phyllo]

Create the world that you want to live in and that you would like others to live in. It’s up to you… you have the god-like power.

[turtle]

@phyllo

Create the world that you want to live in and that you would like others to live in. It’s up to you… you have the god-like power.

phyllo has just summed it up…this is pretty high…you can talk all you want about religion and spirituality but it doesn’t go anywhere…what is needed…action …personal action

[Kriswest]

@turtle

my main point is that we need to take our discussion of god to a higher level of thought…
we need to stop arguing about some god concept of the past…
whats it all about…

If people are enjoying the arguments it is rather difficult to stop them , sort of like giving somebody their favorite flavor of icecream tell them its theirs then as they begin to enjoy it, tell them they should give all of it to the person they hate the most… You might get 5 people out of a hundred to do so, the rest will choke it quickly down or toss it to the ground or give you a nasty word or two and keep on enjoying their icecream.

People enjoy arguing beliefs, , it is a favored icecream.

[Ierrellus]

To paraphrase Kant’s moral imperative–Live so that how you live could be a standard for all who live.

[Ierrellus]

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