Is this why all men fundamentally lie to women?
I believe it is. Discuss please; I am truly interested in this topic.
I need to figure out if I’m going to continue being a ‘nice’ guy for the rest of my life or if I’m going to just quit caring about other people… 
It has to be a driving force. People are always lying about themselves to look good. Men just tend to exaggerate because we have a desire to reproduce. Think about it, I would lie less to an unattractive girl than a pretty one. You could even take it as just trying to be proper around them.
I don’t think you should stop caring about people. I hate consistently rude people.
Perfect Koifer! Thank you for your response! 
Interesting concept, except I think it might be age that is missing in your theory.
what do you mean by “nice” guy? I think it’s better to be a nice person and not to disrespectful to women if you want to get your “dick sucked” 
Kris,
What do you mean? I’m referring to post-puberty (adult life).
Stoned,
You can remain respectful while also being considered ‘not nice’, I think…? 
I like the catchy title! 
…ever thought of trying your vacuum cleaner for the job, if you’re that bothered about it? but I’d keep your phone to hand incase you need to call 911 medic…
I would say more times than not men don’t realize the importance of a relationship until they go through trials during their marriage. I would say our mates are our completion of being. Wherein we could exist in multiple relations or none, sharing our lives with someone in a monogamous relationship is a lot more enriching. This becomes more pronounced going through the ‘empty nest’ time of your life.
Your input is appreciated Litenin, but what does it have to do with being ‘nice’?
I have found that women are unduly impressed by the right words at the right time. Part of picking up a woman is nonverbal. But after an intial attraction, the case is made or not by words - very often. So, lying works, at least in the short run. But the truth may work also. Either is expessed in words.
How does ‘being nice’ factor into the equation when I don’t care about the socialization through words? All I’d be after is the end-result.
Well, I think you might want to rethink whether it’s so good to have such a narrow goal. But even if that is your only goal, being nice may well factor into it. Whatever works, right? Sometimes being nice works.
But most people have many goals - and most people have difficulty reconciling those goals. Life is complicated. That’s the purpose of good philosophy - to reconcile disparate goals. To become a more integral personality. You might give it a shot.
Kris has a point.
I think, or I’ve heard, that younger women go for rough and mean bad boys who don’t care about them until they grow older and learn that those guys are jerks you just can’t win, and “winning” is basically the appeal. They want to be the ones who change their ways and they want to be unique and special to them because they know that they put on an “I’m too cool for school” attitude. After high school, of course, this will most likely just get you nowhere with the more experienced women who want a sensitive man who really does care and wants to settle down.
My goals in life right now are really up in the air. All I foresee doing in the upcoming months before I go back to get my Master’s degree is drinking booze and having a good, superficial time. Since it’s superficial, my experiences have taught me that “not playing nice/fair” offers better results. So, why not take up that perspective?
Manic,
Actually I don’t think this dynamic ever changes.
The ‘bad guys’ cheat on their wives, make more money, die younger, but ultimately lead what I would call ‘happier and more fulfilling lives’.
The women who settle down with the nice, sensitive guy are more willing to cheat with the dominate males or outright divorce their husband for the child support.
Of course, there are many exceptions and balanced relationships, but I believe my point still stands very well on its own. People never really grow up in the sense that we’re somehow compelled to do things by ‘mature standards’. The fact is that instincts and our biology & socialization mostly drive us to where we’re going.
You may as well take the route with the highest gains.
Yeah, realun - be a bastard. Always do the math. And stay superficial. Make getting head your primary goal. And enjoy it. It’s not much of a life, but it’s what most people do.
People are superficial. Size matters. Women don’t really like giving head, most of them. But there are always hookers. They make their living because women don’t generally want to suck dick. Women lie, men lie. It all sucks. Might as well give up and be like everyone else.
I’m sorry real, I thought this was reflecting on relationships with women and telling them the truth. I apologize if I was off topic. 
When men are young adults to about 30, they “enhance”(lie) themselves to be attractive to the women for sexual reasons. The older males do to an extent but, by then its not just for sex its generally for a mate. Women do the same. At certain ages we are just going for sex at another we are looking for mates. We enhance who we are with lies as you call it. Primping is another word, hiding ourselves is probably the best way. Hey, we are horny apes that need sex and mates, so we get stupid, Gee wonder why all the divorces and split ups. When we actually look at the person in bed next to us, its not the person we thought it was. Now was that sex worth waking up with a total stranger? Hmm, You are naked , vunerable and that person is an unknown… yep stupid horny apes.
I like nice guys, I really do. However, the nice guy is also the guy who let other people walk all over them…and unless you’re really quite the bitch who likes to have power over a whimpering git, you aren’t going to be interested in that.
My guy is nice on the inside and tough on the outside. We are opposites in that. Nice guys can be the ones that present themselves as tough, when they trust you, they let the nice guy be seen.
We don’t show ourselves until we trust.