Bush and Energy

Let us all hope he will wake-up and smell the coffee; change may be in the air even with Bush:

The New York Times
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February 20, 2006
Bush: U.S. on Verge of Energy Breakthrough
By THE ASSOCIATED PRESS

Filed at 7:24 p.m. ET

MILWAUKEE (AP) – Saying the nation is on the verge of technological breakthroughs that would ‘‘startle’’ most Americans, President Bush on Monday outlined his energy proposals to help wean the country off foreign oil.

Less than half the crude oil used by refineries is produced in the United States, while 60 percent comes from foreign nations, Bush said during the first stop on a two-day trip to talk about energy.

Some of these foreign suppliers have ‘‘unstable’’ governments that have fundamental differences with America, he said.

‘‘It creates a national security issue and we’re held hostage for energy by foreign nations that may not like us,’’ Bush said.

Bush is focusing on energy at a time when Americans are paying high power bills to heat their homes this winter and have only recently seen a decrease in gasoline prices.

One of Bush’s proposals would expand research into smaller, longer-lasting batteries for electric-gas hybrid cars, including plug-ins. He highlighted that initiative with a visit Monday to the battery center at Milwaukee-based auto-parts supplier Johnson Controls Inc.

During his trip, Bush is also focusing on a proposal to increase investment in development of clean electric power sources, and proposals to speed the development of biofuels such as ‘‘cellulosic’’ ethanol made from wood chips or sawgrass.

Energy conservation groups and environmentalists say they’re pleased that the president, a former oil man in Texas, is stressing alternative sources of energy, but they contend his proposals don’t go far enough. They say the administration must consider greater fuel-efficiency standards for cars, and some economists believe it’s best to increase the gas tax to force consumers to change their driving habits.

During his visit to Johnson Controls’ new hybrid battery laboratory, Bush checked out two Ford Escapes – one with a nickel-metal-hybrid battery, the kind that powers most hybrid-electric vehicles, and one with a lithium-ion battery, which Johnson Controls believes are the wave of the future. The lithium-ion battery was about half the size of the older-model battery. In 2004, Johnson Controls received a government contract to develop the lithium-ion batteries.

On Tuesday, Bush plans to visit the Energy Department’s National Renewable Energy Laboratory in Golden, Colo., to talk about speeding the development of biofuels.

The lab, with a looming $28 million budget shortfall, had announced it was cutting its staff by 32 people, including eight researchers. But in advance of Bush’s visit, Energy Secretary Samuel Bodman over the weekend directed the transfer of $5 million to the private contractor that runs the lab, so the jobs can be saved.

The department ‘‘has been informed that the NREL lab director will use these funds to immediately restore all of the jobs that were cut earlier this month due to budget shortfalls,’’ the department said in a statement Monday.

‘‘Our nation is on the threshold of new energy technology that I think will startle the American people,’’ Bush said. ‘‘We’re on the edge of some amazing breakthroughs – breakthroughs all aimed at enhancing our national security and our economic security and the quality of life of the folks who live here in the United States.’’

Later Monday, Bush visited the United Solar Ovonics Plant, which makes solar panels, in Auburn Hills, Mich., outside Detroit. ‘‘This technology right here is going to help us change the way we live in our homes,’’ Bush told reporters.

Bush said he was impressed with the growing commercial uses of solar energy.

‘‘Roof makers will one day be able to make a solar roof that protects you from the elements and at the same time, powers your house,’’ Bush said. ‘‘The vision is this – that technology will become so efficient that you’ll become a little power generator in your home, and if you don’t use the energy you generate you’ll be able to feed it back into the electricity grid.’’

Rep. Ed Markey, D-Mass., questioned Bush’s energy policies Monday, saying the administration also supports subsidies for luxury SUVs.

‘‘This single tax subsidy dwarfs anything being done for hybrid batteries,’’ Markey said in a news release.

As a complement to Bush’s travels, six Cabinet officials are crisscrossing the nation this week, appearing at more than two dozen energy events in more than a dozen states.


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Hi aspacia,

Well, it’s nice to see the recognition that we’re accepting the idea of alternative energy sources, but I’m afraid that his trip to the battery factory is just so much hoopla. It is true that lithium ion batteries can be smaller and have greater capacity that NIMHs, and an additional advantage not mentioned is that they also have a longer life -ie- more charge/discharge cycles. After you wipe the pixie dust out of your eyes, you have to ask the tough question: Uhhh, where does the electricity needed to charge the batteries come from? Answer: Mostly from fossil fuel generating plants. #-o Im not trying to diss the development of new technology, but the focus is on the wrong end of the issue. Every little bit helps, but we still face the unalterable fact that we haven’t developed an alternate source of energy to replace fossil fuels. When the government announces a “Manhatten style” program to develop fusion power, then we have something for future generations to look forward to. In the meantime, it will just be smoke and mirrors and the same tired ‘we gotta do something’ rhetoric we’ve listened to since the birth of DOE in the mid 70’s.

JT

this is just bush’s way of saying, hey opec, pay attention…

-Imp

Gonna agree with Imp here . . . Bush says a whole lot and rarely follows up on it. No Child Left Behind and Mars come to mind. I think that alternate energy is Bush’s way of silencing criticisms at home claiming that he is in the pocket of Big Oil while ruffling OPEC’s feathers a bit.

Wait and see what happens, I’ll put a $20 on the table that the follow-through is poorly funded, with most of the money going to BP, Shell, ect., and most of it developed to use fossil fuels, but more indirectly.

=D> =D> Just so. Thank-you for helping to break the myth that electric cars are not powered by fossil fuels. It actually uses less energy to drive a diesel than a hybrid.

Hi Shy,

You’re suspect, my dear. You could easily have ulterior motives. Canada is the largest supplier of American "foreign’ oil imports. :stuck_out_tongue: All those oil fired generating plants along our northern tier use Canadian supplied oil. Now that I think of it, my house is heated with Canadian natural gas. :astonished:

Say! You aren’t working on the side for Canadian oil companies are you?

JT

which really doesn’t mean it’s great to drive a diesel :stuck_out_tongue:

the US is tightly, nervously holding on to it’s precious oil
forget about the prizes going down, it’s artificial and temporary… on the whole, oil prizes will only go up from now on
not that i’m unhappy about that last part, of course :slight_smile:

Pixie dust is gone, and thanks for the insight. Hum, what about hydrogen??

Nuclear?? Perhaps, but you know the Democrats are going to scream bloody murder. Remember, I was a life long Democrat until Durbin’s remarks.

NO SHIT! TOTALLY AGREE. I AM SO TICKED REGARDING THIS ISSUE.

JT
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Have a great day JT, now what will work??

With regards,

aspacia

Really, the Dems would be against nuclear power? I know the American left is, but that doesn’t really have anything to do with the Dems, particularly nowadays.

That said, electric cars are only dependent on fossil fuels if the power plant is based on fossil fuels . . . something that we can hopefully eliminate. Additionally, at least removing the source of pollution from civillized areas isn’t a terrible idea. Won’t affect global warming at all, but will help global health. Man, people that live in Atlanta get lungs like smokers . . .

Quiet,you!

:smiley: :smiley:

Willem,

Just so. :smiley:

There are so many ways of conserving energy…on road and off-road.

Driving less,buying smaller vehicles,riding a bike,walking,developing better public transit…

Manufacturing creates a tremendous amount of waste, so buy less throw-away crap…

Use less electricity,turning off the light when leaving a room is a start…

A change in attitude is really what is needed, not a hybrid car.

:smiley: :smiley:

Shy opines:

You are asking people to take conservation seriously. I’m disappointed, Shy. I thought you were a realist and now I find you to be a pie-in-the-sky optimist! As in all the other shoulda woulda coulda issues we have faced, we will only move when forced by dire necessity. This is our history, and we don’t seem to be breaking the pattern. I agree that there are many ways to put off or slow energy consumption, but it is all stop gap. We mainline cheap energy. That is our drug of choice. What we really need is the kind of leadership that can look down the road far enough to commit us to development of a source of cheap energy. I don’t see anyone anywhere who seems capable of that.

aspacia

A fusion program isn’t a liberal-conservative issue. Fusion is clean, with an inexhaustable fuel source (sea water). It is the real solution, BUT, it could easily take 30-50 years to get viable commercial plants on line. It means developing technologies we don’t even have at the moment. If their is a clash, it would be over funding such a program over the long haul. Going to the moon had sex appeal. We’re a bit short sighted about power to run our electric toothbrush… :unamused:

JT

Stay in bed therefore not using up any energy at all…

:wink:

Just a quick comment: I like the idea of fusion power as much as the next guy . . . but the idea that it is ‘clean’ is not true. Most by-products of fusion reactions are unstable isotopes (read: radioactive). It is certainly more renewable than coal and fission power, perhaps it will be cleaner than, say, fission. But totally clean? A myth that people started spreading in the '60s. A time when fusion power was, mind you, only 10 to 60 years away.

Funny how its been stuck in that same time frame for the past 50 years.

:smiley:

You know, we really don’t need to wait for fusion power to materialize. The environmental movements have only ever used it as a distraction from another real nuclear power source that could very easily serve all our stationary power generation needs. You know, the one that the environmentalist movement attacked visciously, culminating in a movie, tons of protests, and monstrous amounts of red tape that eventually suffocated the industry…

We could do just fine using good old fission. It’s simple. It’s safe (seriously). And at one time, before the riots and regulations, it offered the prospect of power “too cheap to meter”.

There was the Chernobyl incident, too, you know…

It is safe. The waste is not. A close family member has worked in this field for years, the waste is a massive headache and we don’t have a solution…

MRM1101,

I have no problem with fission, but I live in one of the ‘dumping ground’ states. Talk to the folks in Washington, Idaho, or Nevada about our ability to clean up after ourselves. We haven’t the political will to produce, run, and maintain a fission program within the U.S., let alone deal with the world-wide fission wastes. Actually, what is considered waste should be carefully stored. At some point, that ‘waste’ will again become an energy source, but that is too long range for the myoptic politicians to consider.

When I said fusion is clean, it is because the radioactive wastes produced wouldn’t be even a tenth of what fission produces.

JT

You kidding? Bush has bit the K-12 teacher’s hard in the ass and they are finally like trying to teach and not just pass students through the system. Students, are not allowed to earn a high school diploma unless they pass the proficiencies. You go Bush on this number. At the moment all K-14 instructors now have to pass an examination to teach. At the moment this includes me. Ouch. Back to the books.

Sigh, yes, you are probably right as Bush is a “half broke” oil man. Damn, I really hate fossil fuel and our dependence on it.

:sunglasses:

Use the uranium. . . you know you want to. :smiley: