you don’t even know what a soul, or consciousness, is, but you claim it cannot be destroyed, because of some assertion to set theory.
souls and consciousness may be so alien to conventional understanding that it doesn’t follow conventional set theory like that.
and i separated it into 2 posts, cause you are now mixing science with religion. You are making claims about how you are brought into the world but do not provide proof. so i want to discuss that part about why you believe that
The most logical choice in existence is for it to not be.
The most logical choice in spirit is to sleep forever, but that’s almost a hard rat maze to get through.
Existence just is. Most people didn’t make a choice to be born, they are just here. Its like gravity.
Ok. All souls are different just like all bodies are different.
I think religion is about power moves. I’m actually an atheist, who isn’t even a Buddhist.
But I know something can’t come from nothing and can’t become nothing. Including your mind.
We learn here for sure… I know that as well as anyone. But I can ask myself, “Why do some people learn different than others?” Sure, people are born and die here. In order for existence to exist, everyone needs to be different (otherness). If everything were exactly the same, it would be non-existence. Differentiation is the necessary quality of existence. I don’t want to exist. But the mind can be called back into a body when the soul is sleeping. The soul is the part of a logical structure that learns in a particular way. Souls can still be read when they are asleep. If a person wants something while awake, they examine the soul best suited for that task and wake it up again. That’s what happened to me. My resume was really good. Most of life is about force. If I had my choice, I wouldn’t exist. So, now I have to learn to get back to sleep so my resurrection isn’t tantalizing anymore. That why I teach. So that people don’t need me anymore.
But we don’t really, know that, do we… deep down?
We just extrapolate based on the data we have. 99.999999999999999999% of the time objects don’t spontaneously form into existence, so we assume its a “fact” of nature. And for most intents and purposes, it is. In the current modern epoch, for all intents and purposes we can say that reincarnation probably exists and is pretty much a guarantee. But can we really, with certainty, say that its impossible to shut off the machine of reincarnation, itself?
Consciousness might not be exactly a “thing”, but rather a mode of a thing, and it it may be very much possible to destroy the mode, or the signal. We might not be able to destroy the universe, but we might actually be able to destroy souls. Like a machine that prevents a soul from appearing.
You can warp a soul. This happens all the time, but like a rubber band, it springs back. Except unlike a rubber band, it can’t be cut. If you can actually kill a single soul, it would destroy all existence.
Well that was a fast couple games. I proved white always wins. I could have kept the game going, but I just used mirroring. Once I was in a check where the other king never moved, I couldn’t do the mirroring anymore, so I quit the game.
define what a soul is.
also are you following along with what i’m saying? A soul might not be a “thing” but an event. For example, if a soul is not the ocean but merely a wave of the ocean. You are basically saying that we can’t destroy material, therefore can’t destroy the soul. But I’m saying you can destroy a wave even if you can’t destroy the material.
I have an equation you might not have read.
Infinity=motion
When infinity tries to be itself, it can never catch up with itself, thus expansion. (motion)
If finite tries to be itself, nonexistence occurs because there’s no motion that can ever occur.
I also have the motion paradox. If something comes from something else, that means it came from nothing at all. It’s always new, there was never an iteration of that brand new state in all existence. It’s novel. Anything that’s novel has to come from nothing.
The only way you can solve this problem is that something always comes from nothing. But we all exist, so nothing is not the case.
That’s what causes the paradox. Thought you might be interested
Correct, existence just is.
However people are born because other people participate in specific activities.
yeah but how do you know that, if suddenly the planet were sterilized, that we wouldn’t be born on some alien planet? Or go backwards in time to the stone-age? What if Ecmandu is correct and the annihilation of souls is not so easy?
you lost me there. too big brained for me
Regardless any hypothetical the premise still stands.
Existence just is. Any circumstance mentioned would result because of some other event or circumstance.
Why would it need try? Infinity would be infinity.
You concede in your own premise something comes from something else. You then violate your own premise.
Further, “all existence” indicates all existence. That would include what we perceive as the past, present and future. It would concern all things including any supposed novelty. So to say “there was never an iteration… in all existence” is erroneous.
The questions at this point to be asked is what is still, and what is not still and what does that mean?
First you have to assume everything is infinitely divisible, which means it would take us forever to percieve any category, thus we couldn’t be sentient. Even if it’s plank length it would take us more than a human life to differentiate anything.
So you have to step back to that which never changes. This is Neo-Platonism eternal forms.
It allows us instantanously to say something like, all these trees were looking at are beautiful.
Without the motionless category realm, every atom is so different we couldn’t even see one tree. Let alone use category to say something like, “All these trees are pretty right now.”
Then you have to come from a different angle. If there’s not expansion forever, everything is one thing and existence couldn’t exist. Existence requires otherness to exist, differentiation in order to be a sentient, perceiving being.
So, you look at the data and say… eternal forms are forever (category), and that if existence is finite motion can’t occur.
These two processes are working together to allow perception, consciousness and life.
So, the last question is what does that mean?
What it means is that we have soul signatures that don’t ever expand, we require the eternal form realms to perceive (even if its hallucinations or delusional). Our souls can be warped but not completely destroyed. We’re so interconnected that destroying one soul would destroy all existence. Since we know existence can’t be destroed because we’re having this discussion, we know for a fact that a soul can’t be destroyed, no matter how hard we try.
That’s a good start. I’ll await your comments
I’ll add to the last post, and this is something I figured out in my early teens.
If you know every reason why you know what you know and its external, then you can’t have an internal mind. I called this state logical catatonia; you can’t be sentient anymore.
If you know every reason why you know what you know and its internal, then you can’t perceive something else outside you, because it’s all just you. This also causes logical catatonia.
This was my first disproof for omniscience. I have others. So, in order to be sentient, it needs to be an amalgam of these two.
To add to the last posts, I’ll tell you another simple disproof for omniscience. If everyone is exactly the same, existence can’t exist.
I know almost nothing about neurology. An omniscient being would know everything about neurology.
But in order to be omniscient, it has to know exactly what It’s like to be me… knowing almost nothing about neurology.
This is a direct contradiction
The only reason I’m teaching all this to you is that you don’t need me anymore and you won’t call me back. The thing that makes me understand existence so well is that I never wanted to exist.
That’s also why people trust me with their lives and their secrets. I can’t be blackmailed. Women always go for the blackmailers here. That’s neither here nor there for a person who is passionate about never being or having been. I do have a sexual orientation for women as a man. But at the end of all this bullshit, I know being kind to all the assholes women and men, I’ll earn my eternal rest again. That’s my motivation, and now you know it.
Any being who is somewhat logical, knows that nonexistence is superior to existence, Nonexistence is almost impossible to achieve. It’s a nap forever. Dreamless sleep forever.
You can’t destroy a soul, but a soul can earn sleep forever.
yeah i dont get it. Ai gave me a boost:
Critique
- Coherence: The argument is loosely constructed and jumps between ideas, but it’s drawing on real philosophical traditions (Plato, Neo-Platonism).
- Assumptions: Assumes eternal forms exist, which is a debated philosophical position.
- Soul Indestructibility: The claim that destroying a soul would destroy all existence is metaphysical speculation—not something that can be proven or disproven.
- Physics: The bit about Planck length and infinite divisibility is a nod to physics, but the philosophical leap to forms and souls is not scientifically grounded.
The AI confirmed what i intuited: That you are mixing some traditional philosophical concepts with unproven assumptions.
Also, when you say eternal forms, I believe what you are saying is “objective forms”. Like the shape of a tree is objective. Calling it “eternal forms” is a subtle way to try to prove your argument that souls can’t be destroyed. But really it should be called “objective forms”