Chronically Unemployed In The Modern United States?

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What are the consequences of a 25% national unemployment rate looking for work in the modern United States?

What does it look like?

Well for starters you are going to have to compete with uemployed college graduates for that waiter job position.

Some businesses will even descriminate making it known that they reserve jobs only for college students or graduates.

Sorry sir that waiter position is not for you as it is reserved for the unemployed college graduate with a physics degree.

What is a non college educated and non- institutionalized laborer to do in such a market system?

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Are we at 25% unemplotment?

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Yes, we are at twenty five percent national unemployment if you count those squeezed out of the labor force and so on.

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Upon looking for work you will always find a opening that says expirience only.

As a worker looking for training to be employed but lacks expirience as a candidate for such a job,what exactly is a person to do?

This also becomes problematic when a business refuses to do the training of individuals or actually have any sort of on the job training. Their excuse is that training people is expensive and typically bothersome concerning insurance policies.

They complain about not having a trained or competent workforce yet intentionally refuse to train anybody. WTF?

What can you do? Not a single fucking thing! There is nothing you can do about it. You are a instant ineligible.

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You go to two different places of employment in one day where both ask you to go to their online application forms.

Hardly anybody believes in filling out a application in person where you could have all your identification and information on hand where it still does not really matter because rules are rules.

You go to the first place and do as your told where a week goes by where there is no return phone calls or emails whatsoever upon completing the application.

You go to call them back where the typical bullshit response is that they still have you on their dossier file but have nothing at the moment where they say that they will give you a call back when they do. A week goes by again and nothing.

You give up on that employer altogether.

The second employer web address for the internet application seems to lack a damn actual application to fill out! ](*,) :imp: #-o

Welcome to the technological era of the employment circle jerk. Please take a number. Thank You.

There are some weeks where you just feel like you are wasting your time even looking at all.

There are days I just want to fucking give up already. [-(

Welcome to the land of 25% unemployment and growing within the United States.

Thank you Hank Paulson and Ben Bernanke you fucking assholes.

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Prefering to hire a college graduate is discrimination now?

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It is if the job itself does not really require a college degree.

If a restaurant actively seeks to employ college students versus noncollege educated laborers intentionally yes I would describe that as discrimination. You see a lot of this in college towns or cities where the culture is that everything must be done to be favorable to the students or those who have recently graduated seeking employment.

They basically have a “Fuck you” approach to noncollege educated laborers.

Think of it as squeezing people out of the workforce. I know I do from expirience.

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Recently the government came out with the notion of helping all mercenary (War) vetrans find employment upon returning from their duties of fighting imperialistic wars abroad by that of enacted legislation through congress.

Non-college educated laborer do you want that part time waiter position that pays minimum wages? Too fucking bad for you!

We have college students and returning war vetrans to accomodate over you.

Can’t you just smell the “freedom”?

Ah, to be the disenfranchised. Love it.

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Which is up to whom to decide? What exactly makes somebody more qualified to flip a burger or bus a table than somebody else? Should employers be flipping a coin?

Maybe the restaurant uses uses 'college degree' as a way to make sure their employees have the discipline to focus on a task for four years an achieve it (or whatever).  Or, maybe like you said, the business likes the idea of support college students (or graduates) by reserving a certain number of (up to and including all) of it's positions for them. 

I don't see what the problem is with any of this.  College students take on a lot of time, debt, and effort to make themselves more appealing to employers. In fact, it's my impression that that's the ONLY reason most college students bother with college at all.
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So, disenfranchise actively the noncollege educated laborers who are just looking for a stepping stone to elevate their poor selves in life? Wonderful…

Fuck them, right? Let them eat in a state of homelessness because they can’t support themselves financially, right?

Many of those noncollege educated laborers dream of acquiring a higher education too.

No, wonder this society has the structural problems that it has economically. This society is so entirely fucked.

So many people got what is coming to them with this whole circus comes crashing down…

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If there’s 1 job, and two applicants, SOMEBODY goes without regardless of the standard applied. If the employer chooses the college graduate because he thinks that achievement is a sign of a quality he’s looking for, what’s the problem? That’s in all likelihood the REASON the college student took that burden on in the first place.

Again, 1 job and 2 applicants: SOMEBODY is fucked regardless.

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Were talking about how the applicants are judged or received but if you want a growing large number of disenfranchised people that spill into the street revolting in your nation so be it.

Your conservatism is not going to work out the way you think it is going to.

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Why would it be a ‘growing number’? There’s 10 jobs, 50 people apply. The 10 jobs are given to 10 people, 40 go without.

In my scenario, the 10 are given to college graduates. In your scenario…well, I dunno what your scenario is. Say the jobs were given out at random.

How does my scenario result in more disenfranchised people than yours?

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I’m pretty sure people go to college to get jobs.

That is how it works.

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Joker you seem mad because the world doesn’t offer you an easy set of hoops to jump through and be rewarded with what you want. Society, the government etc…isn’t like some big mom and dad who are just holding what you need to spite you or teach you some lesson. It’s a matter of finite resources and infinite demand. Security comes from a surplus which means you’re even more fucked because what you really need, someone else wants to horde for thier sense of security. The ironic thing is that that’s what you want to do as well, and you’re lashing out against people who work hard to succeed when you’ve done nothing but wander around squandering the time you had to do the same thing.

That’s crazy dude.

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Also, my employment rate is 100%. And I’m in the united states so your numbers are all wrong.

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I’m not planning on hiring college students myself in relationship to anything that requires will power and inventiveness in the future, and I will be getting into business sooner than later.

The reason is simple… college evokes a ‘follow me’ attitude (remember the basic training unit ‘swallow me’ in Ft. Benning… that’s as college as the military gets, big stinking rotten college atmosphere of guys horny and yet unable to get it up) and shared associations, and assumptions of competency and qualification to speak and act over others. This is definitely NOT the kind of workforce I would ever be interested in, quite the opposite infact.

This being said, in all honesty, if stuck with Walker and a college grad, I would take the college grad until I could dump his ass for someone more qualified. I just figure you would drop the ball and bitch and whine all the time, and would try to kill me one day when I’m sitting on the toilet mining my own business.

I would be looking for independence, inventiveness, introspective leanings with extroverted skills, uneasiness with grass eating (taking small gifts that lead to larger and larger bribes), unorthodox knowledge specialties, and orthodox understanding of the norms in terms of weakness and strengths of normal behavior, and the ability to carry through when no one is looking, and the capacity to spontaneously fix problems and teach others how to fix them.

You can’t get that from college. I’m not interested EVER in hiring a college grad unless I open up some hypothetical hospital… and only then because there doesn’t exist a competent and legal medical association/guild.

I may accept someone who tried to make amends and lead a aspiring life largely built of their own character and endeavoring, and made a mistake of youth in going to university… much like some in their youth get tattoos and use drugs then change later on. But I take myself seriously… and a enterprise I embark on is expected to go far, and have no toleration of lazy, entitled effort, so the chances of finding a competent worker who also happens to have a degree is next to impossible. I’m not interested in fraternities, nor degrees, nor the name of the courses you cheated on to get through. The man within, and the world that can still be, found between the beats of the heart. Inspire me, and don’t let me down once inspired.

The end result of course is, my employees will be groomed in their own right to become competent businessmen. It’s a much better basis for society than the failed system we’re left with of college mills pumping out students who can’t figure out that the delusional mass growth of stock exchange, treasury bonds, and home worth wouldn’t remain stable as the baby boomers aged and used their assets, dropping the statistical curve downward for everyone all at once, and that having something called a ‘sub-prime loan’ was a very fucking bad idea. But the university mills- which have continued to GROW GROW GROW larger and larger during this depression (sprouting up buildings all over San Francisco) don’t teach even basic common sense. There’s a damn reason why I never took out a mortgage when in the Army. I remember 2005-2006 everyone in the infantry in Alaska was trying to get into the housing market in Eagle River up to Wasilla… especially the college graduates in the ranks… big stories, impossible for their to be a bust.

I pointed out all the money was tired up in old people and corporations selling products… and the government was set to consume half of every inheritance, effectively lost to the economy, down a bureaucratic drain, used on bullshit who knows what, and most certainly out of the economy save for purchasing pens and legal paper and toner. I myself didn’t think in the long term the wars would go on forever, much less everyone would be always stationed in Alaska, like some big old happy family where the ranks never change out or people sent elsewhere. I didn’t jump on board, others did. Best of luck to them… now they can’t get out of the military if they were lucky enough to hold on to them, but almost all of them are stuck in the same glass ceiling rank of E-6… unable to break out as this massive downsizing takes effect. Oh… but the fucking statistics kept getting brighter and brighter the whole time back then. HA HA HA HA!

I live my life for a reason. Independence and debt free. I collect knowledge, experience, and first hand skill in adapting to impossible circumstance. This is good for business, but bad for loans… therefor, I’ll have to go for a business model minus bank loans. I am stubborn enough to carry through with it. And stubborn enough to hire as I please, and to succeed where no one else dreamed of trying.

Still not hiring you though Walker. Your Ms. perhaps, but not you.

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Don’t I feel just loved!! ^ :slight_smile: thanks Contra!!

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And the bullshit of this society get’s that much deeper…

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I’m sorry to have to ask this after its already been asked, but are you sure that stat is right? Do you have a source for that?
Its not that i don’t believe you it just comes as a huge surprise :0

Im from the UK i dont even know what our unemplpoyment rate is, but 25% seems massive for any country!