Yes?
Not heard of Black Tigers?
Even in most Muslim countries litigants can opt for civil court; no non-muslim would ever step foot in a Sharia court, (same argument as with homosexuals:) if it doesn’t affect you what difference does it make? never mind that it is only the most trivial matters that the Sharia courts would be given any jurisdiction over…
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The word conspiracy is deemed a bad bad word and a conspiracy theory is a bad way to think because it implies fear, lack of control and weakness. But if even 1 percent of the prevailing conspiracies are true and revealed to the masses, perceptions of reality would change in a vast way. Oh yeah, i’ve seen three hovering spaceships before, for real, but people who haven’t seen them themselves dont believe me. Why is that so boring and predictable that they wouldn’t believe me?
Exactly Nano. The word conspiracy itself now comes with a preconceived notion that:
A. The person believing it is probably insane and stupid.
B. The conspiracy is automatically false, just due to the word.
The near complete lack of evidence proving it was Muslims, combined with the near impossibility of the official account being true.
I’m not a fan of From the Wilderness, nor do I subscribe to prisonplanet.com but I firmly believe 9/11 was a false flag attack of some kind. Whether it was the US military, the CIA, MI6, Mossad, a private military hire firm or someone else is still to be established. But there’s practically no evidence that it was Mohammed Atta, Hani Hanjour and the rest so we’ve got to be open to the possibility that the 9/11 Commission is a lie.
What sort of evidence do you require?
I mean, the co chairs of the 9/11 Commission said that they thought the military lied to them about their failure to stop the planes (see their book ‘Without Precedent’). Norman Mineta, the Sec. of Transportation on 9/11 testified to the Commission that Vice President Cheney knew there was a plane headed towards the Pentagon well before it struck (search on youtube for ‘Norman Mineta’ to find this testimony, which wasn’t part of the Commission’s report). Then there are the three (count them, three) different versions the military gave of when they were informed by the FAA about possible hijackings, when they scrambled jets and why they failed to intercept all four. Normally, when someone under scrutiny gives three contradictory versions of events it only adds to the suspicion (see David Ray Griffin’s The 9/11 Commission: Omissions and Distortions for a detailed analysis of the three version). Then we have the temporary alterations made to the rules in case of a hijacking only three months before 9/11, which has since been scrapped. Then we have the PNAC document where they talk of the need for a ‘new pearl harbour’ so they can further their geopolitical plan (see also AIPAC and JINSA and the AEI). Then there’s Netanyahu saying that 9/11 was ‘good for Israel’. Then there’s Bin Laden’s denial of responsibility for the attacks. Then there’s the FBI’s admission that they have no hard evidence connecting Bin Laden to 9/11.
Like I say, what sort of evidence do you want? Because I’ve read as much as I’ve had time to read and there’s far more that suggests or illustrates that 9/11 was NOT an attack by fanatical Islamic terrorists than there is evidence that suggest or illustrates that 9/11 WAS an attack by the same.
And yes, I can provide simple, attributable sources for every claim I’ve made here. And no, I’m not a conspiracy theorist (or at least, calling me that doesn’t refute a single word I’ve said). And yes, I can cite literally dozens of events throughout history, in lots of different countries, where precisely this sort of military/intelligence deception has taken place. Often to cover up mass murder. And yes, I can cite detailed histories of the involvement of the CIA/MI6/Mossad with Islamic terrorists in a dozen countries.
So no, I’m not a crank, a crackpot, a moron, a propagandist, a disinfo agent or anything of the sort. I’m just someone who has actually bothered to read history and study the present in relation to it.
Sounds legit to me.
We live in a broken system… Period.
No, never, nup, nada and no fucking way. I’m not accepting that. Firstly, sticking ‘period’ on the end of a sentence is, like doing the same with ‘fact’, not in any way an argument for that sentence.
Secondly, and much more importantly, the system isn’t broken. It is exactly the system designed by the rulers of the world, working in the way they want. There are a few compromises and concessions, as well as a lot of arbitrary judgement, but broadly the world moves in the direction the money and power make it.
We just built the wrong world, is all. What capitalism does prove is that we’re capable of building grandly powerful, complex societies that can even survive near global war. Just because those societies are corrupt shams doesn’t make them any less of an ideological, historical achievement for the species. It shows that we can do better. And unless we give in to the pessimism of ‘the system is broken’, we will do better.
When I describe the system as being broken I mean that societies through that of deception claim to be all encompassing when clearly they are not. In otherwords the deception is broken or fragmented.
Now you may describe them as being useful, effective, and productive corrupt shams of our species in which I would have to agree with you.
You may also say that newer deceptions are being made to bait the masses even further which also I cannot disagree with.
Can’t disagree with you there.
In what way exactly?
Even if we can do better you or I will never live long enough to see such a age therefore I really don’t care all that much myself.
But that is assuming if we can do better which I have no evidence or perceivement that we can or ever will.
That is a giant assumption and leap of faith that I cannot afford.
Anyhow, your statement sounds like the same exact thing they say in every historical generation and in every generation promises are made that are never fulfilled.
This is backtracking and verbiage. How can a deception be broken? It makes no grammatical sense. Fact is, you leapt in with a depressed cliche and now someone’s challenged it you’ve dumped a load more words on the table rather than just say ‘okay, that isn’t what I meant and was a lax choice of words because I’m lazy when it comes to writing’.
You can do better. Now do better.
If we can build a massively powerful, flexible society (albeit one ruled by a banking and war production cartel) then it shows we can build other massively powerful and flexible societies. Preferably not run by such people.
And if you truly believe that then even when it happens you’ll be in denial about what is in front of your eyes. Your pessimism doesn’t prove a damn thing in the real world.
Due to your own dogmatic pessimism.
Why, what does optimism cost you?
And your statement sounds like the exact same thing every depressed, overly introspective wannabe nihilist says and every single one of them goes on to achieve bugger all with their lives as if to prove their own pessimism correct.
Fine, if you want to limit yourself by seeing the worst and most depressing aspects of your life as the only ones that are really there then go ahead. But the moment you make it political is the moment I step in and point out you are wrong. Just because you are depressed doesn’t mean everyone else is incapable of doing things, and to act like it does is exceptionally arrogant.
You can do better. Now do better.
“behead the elites”
When i say this i don’t direct it toward the lucky rich people… or even the heartless corporations…
I direct it towards the button pushers and order givers…
the people who know what they are doing.
Who’s the guy who gives the orde for the U.S military to start corraling its own citizens?
Off with his head…
Who’s the guy who came up with these long term world domination plans?
Off with his head…
Show me the list of names of the people who were in on it and in it to get rich.
Off with their heads…
Show me the thieves, the tyrants, the mongers, the misers,
Off with all their heads…
But most importantly show me the string pullers… Unless we chop their heads off we can make no move toward freedom.
Wonderer, your idea is a common one but, it is not an easy one, the button pusher is the center of many circles. It is the bullseye on a dart board protected by many rings of people. To get to the button pushers you must go through the rings of humans that protect them. to get through them you actually have to wake people up and get them to work with you. then you have to keep them motivated. Rebellion is not an easy thing to start and it is even harder to keep it going and building. The easiest way is to let the society hit rock bottom in total. then you get a natural motivation. If everyone is at the bottom of the pit, then they tend to work together to get out of the pit, then the cycle begins again. There will always be the button pushers.
i didnt say it was easy… but we do have a certain word called martyr lol…
If I were in the controlling end, I would provoke young mind so that some of them become fanatic and try to do violent acts.
Then I would send agents to help these young people financially, technically, and ideologically. 
Remember Sadam, Osamma, Noriega, Atta, Hamas, etc?
They are all “helped” by kind/generous/knowledgeable/charitable people. 
How exactly is it shown to be what you are saying it to be?
This above quote presents itself as a relative optomistic statement yet does nothing in providing evidence as to why I should or anyone else for that matter must take it for face value.
I’m merely stating your optimistic beliefs is all about pie in sky around a future that I will not live long enough to be in assuming your fantasy to be even remotely correct since your convictions is guided by hopeful dreams and that of romantic imagination.
There are no more guarantees in your statements as there is in my own but instead your words merely relate to this personal leap of faith guided by assumptions that you have embraced through that of optimism and nothing more.
I’m a person of what I can see, sense and touch. I do not have the luxory of basing my survival on arbitrary hopes and romantic imaginative idealisms.
I’m a empiricist.
If I don’t live long enough to see this optimistic phantasm of a better new tomorrow but instead only exist it this present dreary atmosphere of inequality guided by vicious malign competition through the will of survival I see no reason why I should concern myself with what you have to say as my time would be better served for myself by understanding the here and now.
I don’t care about the future and I will not live long enough to see it not to mention I have no intention of becoming a martyr for millions of bastards born into the future that I will never meet.
I am only concerned about the present in what I can immediately expirience and sense as that directly relates or effects me.
And you base your feelings on blind optimistic faith. So what?
I’m not even sure what this statement is implying beyond insults but whatever.
You assume that is all I believe.
Not even sure what this entails.
Thank-you for elaborating on your view. I think we differ a little in out thinking about just how violence ought to be applied. I’ve come to think that the “button pushers and order givers” have gotten there because the people and the culture support them; Bank of America would not have much of a profit if not for those taking loans and those putting money into their investment products, just to give one of very many similar examples.
Here is a very interesting story news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/7415495.stm that illustrates what I mean; the wealthy Saudi sheik who owns the Grand Hyatt Hotel in Cairo has stopped the bars from serving alcohol. While on the one hand Mubarak and his gang have done much to build up the tourist industry in Egypt; it was I think more the American people who eat there that put up the KFC and Pizza Hut which the Sphynx is staring at; it is the people and their culture and not the small number of elites who drive economy and society. This would obviously not be a view that would ever gain much popular support.
But the thing is when these agents come to my door i will shoot them because they are already the enemy
of coarse it is the people who drive a society, but in teh case of our system, the button pushers need to be stopped before a reform can take place
(we all know a reform is not going to come out of democracy)
Say in the case of the occuptation of Afghanistan, critics are quick to point fingers at the politicians and maybe even at a few military people. But start pointing fingers at the soldiers and it takes a moment for a lot of people to ever reckon what you’re saying. And start pointing fingers at the voters, that’s almost meaningless as you say, since both the ruling party and the major opposition parties support it. But these days, as the internet has totally revolutionized access to information (if you can get past the Google-bombing, and I mean popular, not intentionally enginered like “more evil than Satan himself”), the people can know very well all the facts about the occupation.
The level of confusion form official to voter in the U.S is phenominal.
Let’s face it. Voters are stupid.
They vote for the flashiest, most popular, most baby kissing piece of commercial trash that’s out there…
Bush BOUGHT the election…
Lee harvey oswald did not kill kennedy
The U.S knew about pearl harbour
And about 9-11
Both cases are examples of the U.S allowing attacks on its own citizens so that they have motive for war.
How can you blame a voter who has been litterally tricked by it’s own government.
I don’t remember a vote allowing the government to trick me…
Vote… Voting has become the trick…
Year after year, election after election, false delimma after false delimma.
To quote Kang from the simpsons "It’s a 2 party system! You have to vote for one of us!
Kodos: “AHAHAHAHAHAHAH!”