For girls , the stages of puberty start around the age of 8. This may sound young, but we are seeing physical puberty changes starting younger and younger.
Most countries have laws that specify when people can legally marry. Only six countries do not specify a minimum age for marriage, even those that allow minors to wed, the minimum age requirements are often ignored.
It is what it is.
Did Jesus have a beard….?
Whats the point of these guessing games?
The aim is pure rhetorics. A question which carries poison, with the intention to trap every Muslim which will try to defend Muhammad.
I am not even a Muslim, I am materialist. I tried to explain that moral judgements depend on the time period, and that calling someone pedophile in centuries when the marriage age for women was very low is not the same back then and today. I ended up being accused as child rape apologist. That is the point of the question…
The age of sexual consent wasn’t always eighteen, that is a modern development from the early 1900s to today.
That is because prior to the 1900s the lifespans of most human beings was very minimal rarely exceeding over the age of 50.
Adulthood was considered fourteen and upwards for the longest period of global history.
14 upward? It was lower than that for pre-industrial cultures. Even the early industrialised USA permitted females aged 7 to have sexusal relations:
Yes, and guess who funnels children to the rich “elites” in Britain and elsewhere? Islamic gangs.
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Because that is exactly what you are right now.
Lol utter bullshit. You pulled that literally out of your ass, heiffer.
Nope, it is literally true. Feel free to look it up, although we know you won’t.
So, for example, the case of Lina Medina (she was impregnated at age 4) not pedophilia? To you, it was alright? How do you call that then?
How come?
The point is the answer to the question of the thread
Yes, morality is subjective, but ethics is not. If someone happens to question the ethics of it, don’t confuse it for something subjective. Now, someone being a pedophile doesn’t depend on the context, while someone being ‘called’ a pedophile does. The calling makes no difference.
It’s the same as with murder. It is bad or good, independent from context.
Stay on topic, folks.
Apparently, Ana de Armas is hideous since 2017 
So, back to the topic at hand: Is it true? Is it not? Does the lack of criticism point towards Muhammad having or not having sex with a 9 year old?
To avoid further clarifications, don’t confuse objective things with subjective ones, so that further clarification isn’t needed
If I open a thread with the question:
“Had pseudoai sex with a 9 year old?”
And in the OP I was asking if you believe on that because someone else wrote this in a text
Is it insulting for you yes or no?
@ghatzige It is not insulting. Why would it be? It is a question. Let’s ask it (open question to everyone):
Now: is the answer to the question here true or not? What are the evidences for the positive and for the negative? Do Muslims believe one or the other?
So I can do that in a newspaper, with full name of yours, and you will not sue me, right?
Maybe I should rephrase it like this:
So I can do that in a newspaper, with full name of yours, and you should not have the right to sue me, because it is not insulting. Right?
Bad ‘logic’. What are you arguing about? That it’s not clearly on record that Muhammad had sex with a 9 year old? Is that what you are trying to claim?
If the owner of the newspaper announced that he was a paedophile in the newspaper then who would sue him?
What is on record? A Hadith, written by someone else years after Muhammad’s death, and not verified by any other source?
I put the secular historian’s reference above for a reason.
Go away paedophile apologist.
And the point i was trying to make was that nobody will know.
We are talking about potentially fictional people, from hundreds of years past.
I might as well ask: Did Muhammad exist? Did Jesus exist? What evidence is there beyond thousands of years of hundredth hand hearsay?
And in regards of discussing sexual preferences, ethics and morals from 1500 years ago… there is a name for that:
Well then, what is the most information about that we can have? And, do Muslims believe it? Some percentage?
About that… did Plato exist? After all, we have about the same type of evidence.
For example: did humans which remains and actions have not been conserved or even communicated exist? It’s a kind of the tree falling in the forest situation.
Yeah, if that was so, it would be presentism, for sure!. It is not, as far as I’m seeing. Who is judging that here?. From what I read about some, it’s a question if it was ethical, and that doesn’t depend on context. To judge morally a thing from 1500 years ago with the morals of 1500 years ago, is presentism of the past, and it’s equally misguided, since the question is if it is ethical, not moral. Morality depends on what is disapproved of by consensus - it is not about that.
To paint it clearly, being a pedophile is not subjective, it doesn’t depend on who sees it but on what that person did. It’s not an identification, it’s a identity issue.
Even the ancient Romans frowned upon sexual relations with females that were non menstruating. It is true attitudes towards sexual maturity have changed throughout human history but even in the most ancient times menstruation was considered the earliest form of coming to age concerning sexual maturity. So, there’s that.
