You are becoming upset.
Reality has nothing to do with virtues.
This is how things are…not how you nor I would want them to be.
Exploitation is nihilistic, who’s the real nihilist here? You seem to praise it.
No…exploitation is part of nature.
When you eat a chicken you are exploiting all the work that went into creating her flesh.
Upset? No, more amused than anything.
As I said earlier, we can either elevate ourselves above nature or remain violent animal beasts only capable of inflicting pain and misery onto each other. Which one would you choose?
And here I thought I was just eating chicken.
My ideal system is pre-Democratic.
Timocracy.
We must be careful how far we ‘elevate ourselves.’
We might find ourselves floating on idealistic waves.
I do not like inflicting pain on life…but this does not mean life is not dependent on killing life to survive.
it is why pagans developed what Christians called Thanksgiving. Showing gratitude to the life you must take, to survive.
This is the source of Christianity’s primordial sin.
Shame of being dependent on the death of another. Ouroboros - life consumes life.
i don’t like that either…but it is so.
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Well for me my ideal society is national communism that is very autocratic and also controlled by an intelligentisia [inner political party] because we need smart people to look out for the well being of society in all of its many aspects. We need philosophers, scientists, and thinking people.
Nihilism is this attempt to ‘correct nature’s injustices.’
As I said in relation to free-will, it is a negation of optinos.
Negation is how life survives.
Our skin is a rejection of cosmic order, so as top enable self-ordering.
Nay saying.
Nihilism rejects part or all of nature, depending on the variant.
Well, many would say slavery is anti nature especially the slaves themselves. So, not sure how that would fit in your interpretation of things.
Such systems have been tried and they failed.
Timocracy is about earning citizenship.
Not deserving it by simply being a human.
Socialism is more appropriate. Ethno-Socialism, although some would say socialism is communism.
Free-markets are necessary, But controlling key resources is essential.
Free-education and medical care, also essential.
There would be no free markets in my society. Only public and state property for the people of the nation.
Ummmm…no.
Husbandry, extended to humans.
It failed because Capitalism discovered that it is more costly to keep slaves than to create wage slaves.
A slave owner was responsible for his slaves from cradle to grave.
That’s the real reason slavery was abolished.
Capitalism is going to discover in the near future how costly it becomes when it can no longer afford to pay its wage slaves.
Neoliberalism is going to discover what happens when a majority of people discover democracy isn’t even real.
There is no slaves in communism, there are national citizens enjoying the benefits of living in their nation where the nation state provides everything.
Communism failed…multiple times.
it goes against human nature.
The ideal Marxist organism would be an ant or a bee. An organism with a minimal sense of identity.
Humans cannot be reduced to such states.
With so much State care, humans become children, unable to motivate themselves to do anything.
There are still communist nations in existence right now and I imagine overtime there will be many more in the future.
I wonder what people like yourself are going to say once these various capitalist economies fall one by one. It’s going to be very amusing to find out, so sure of yourselves that capitalism is the final be all ideology of all human history. What happens when it finally destroys itself? Hmm.
In communism especially the more nationalistic varieties there is cultural identity, so you basically fail at seeing that.
Communist states survive by adopting capitalistic economies.
Pure communist states atrophy, like North Korea.
No system is perfect.
Each one is ideal in particular environments.
Absence of accessible frontiers, for instance, is a factor.
When space becomes accessible, I don’t see Communism surviving for long…unless humans have been degenerated to mindless automatons, like ants.
Sounds vaguely reminiscent of iambiguous dasein crap.
Its time for everyone to accept reality.
Good and evil is OBJECTIVE not SUBJECTIVE - but dependent on a SUBJECTIVE subject.
You go on and on with the Klingon crap and don’t acknowledge reality.
If some barbarian space-faring race blew up 10,000 healthy villages is that moral or immoral, is it that good or is that evil?
all moral behaviors evolved to preserve group health.
Which group’s health takes priority? Can’t say because its subjective?
Let’s ask something more complicated.
What if a group is optimized to have very low health, like some pests that bathe in filth and live short?
What about something more obvious, what if some galactic space vermin goes around hoarding all the resources, causing poverty and decay on every planet they visit, while everyone around them rots. Are they good or evil?
There is nothing intrinsically good bad.
More reality denial and amoral Klingon crap.
When most people die their soul leaves their body and moves upwards into space.
This is confirmed by facts. You can choose to accept the facts or deny the facts and embrace western sheldon cooper science autism and keep acting like noone knows this already.
Key point here though is they realize what absolutely retarded bullshit their body was and human existence as complete pointless and retarded bullshit. Remarkably, they always report that a great weight was lifted off their chest and a great euphoria manifests upon them.
That to me indicates a clear and objective and subjective of that which is good and that which is evil. It is by mere coincidence and evolutionary luck that the health of the soul so coincides with the health of the body, but perhaps it is more than mere coincidence and something more…
I am not what you would define as an “abrahamic”, I believe though that reality is “rigged” and in so doing there must be a “god” or “gods” doing the rigging. The Bible actually speaks of multiple gods (elohim) but has been so mistranslated misjudged and fudged over the years that most of the modern abrahamics beliefs are not even what it says. I don’t what god it is, could be Abrahamic, could be Nordic, could be Japanese for all I know, could be some fat world of warcraft asshole in his basement running a simulation, I just know there is “something”
It’s unfortunate that since no system is perfect, people end up picking one system to cheer-leader for against others. This is an extension of our tribalism. We like gamification and anything that can be turned into a zero sum conflict makes us happy.
I wonder where this particular sort of psychology will lead us. I suppose it only works where there is plenty of affluence, time for people to sit comfortably and write things on their computers for hours on end. All to feed their egos and tribalist competition-loving emotions. I get it, since I do that too. It’s not hard to see this is what most people are doing when it comes to politics.
What I really dislike is that we value this mentality over the truth. It should be enough to simply point out two lists for each idea, for example each political ideology or theory: one list for what is true about its claims/positions and another list for what is untrue about its claims/positions. Do you realize if we did that, things would actually begin improving rapidly? Not only would we find new solutions and stop attaching our egos to ideological positions but we would begin to invent new ideas, new theories how to describe the reality in which we find ourselves. New ideas and theories with regard to social organization, economics, etc.
But naw, we can’t do that. None of us can, because we are still too animalistic, very greedy and short-sighted and ego-driven. Our minds work to try and find something to attach to 100%, no doubt allowed. This was obviously useful for survival in the past, and I am sure it still has its utility today. But that simply means we will always prioritize the 100% attachments we have, whatever they happen to be, over the more honesty approach of making those two lists that I mentioned.
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Nihilism is this attempt to ‘correct nature’s injustices.’
That is a very strange definition of nihilism.
One could argue that nihilism is being accepting and passive to the flaws of nature, accepting with passive acceptance whatever cards dealt.
That is a very strange political proposition you have there. Surely some free-market wiggle-room is necessary for the vitality of the human spirit? Sounds like people would go bored to death with no freedom.
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People wouldn’t be bored, everybody’s basic needs would be taken care of by the state. There would still be specialization in terms of jobs, occupations, and careers which people could pursue education freely to meet the demands of those jobs. Since their basic needs are provided for they can freely navigate education for as long as needed thus creating a highly educated society. They would still own their homes or places of residence, it’s just that in the vacuum of private ownership of things like landlords or power companies for example the state can heavily subsidize the prices of things so nobody can be charge exorbitant prices on basic things to simply live. There would be a state government commission to enforce all of that as well.