Camelhearder,
what did vivekanada say,that were not only his moral
thoughts,the question i proposed is the main question of every religion regarding dualities.OK.
And also what is this Ramkrishna monk26.
Not at all friend. Stars are not alive. Rocks are not alive. Only life is alive. And the difference between life and a rock is Code/DNA.
Code is always reducible to a factor of one bit. But even that one living (human) cell has a code with six billion letters. The average grape has ten times that amount. Let’s reduce my code to QuinticNon. Then we can further reduce it to I. It’s either on or it’s off.
That’s a bit of a loaded statement. For it is also a scientific fact that the universe is entropic, and therefor cannot possibly provide nourishment forever, thereby negating any notions of a cell reaching immortality.
That’s a reasonable theory. Some say the opposite, in that the reason why we live and evolve is due to complexity. Are we any more or less complex than our ancient ancestors? Are we living longer than our ancient ancestors?
I happen to disagree with any argument that involves longevity of life with any type of complexity. I plum for a much more simplistic view. One that considers our programming. Modern genetics calls this process Apoptosis, or PCD (programmed cell death). It’s the reason that we can form fingers and toes, for the skin between them is programmed to die.
Remember after the Tower of Babel. God stated that he would shorten human life to approximately 100 years. I would suppose he did this like any other programmer would intentionally shorten the life of an auto exec program. Just modify the code.
I am one with my wife. I am one with my brother. A championship soccer team plays as one on the field. My billiards partner and I play as one together in tournaments. When the bible claims that Jesus and the Father are one, it must be put into context of other statements that Jesus himself said. Consider that they were as one, in accord with the will of each other. Again, in Christs own words:
John 14:10 “…the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.”
John 14:28 “…I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I.”
It does. But only in the sense of being in accord with one another, and not that Jesus and God were actually the same entity. Since Christ never once claims to be God, or the Son of God, anywhere in the bible, I have no reason to believe otherwise.
I am well studied on the Trinity God concept. My views on the subject would seem quite heretical on the surface. But as I approach the core of the Truth Onion, I find myself confronting deeper concepts of what oneness actually means.
Though my brother and I are as one when discussing our fondness for chocolate cake, that by no means suggests that my brother and I are of the same person hood. I do not suppose to believe that God Almighty was tempted in the desert by Lucifer. God had already removed Lucifer from his presence. It was Jesus who was tempted in the desert. And he overcame that temptation only because he and The Father were of one accord.
Yes, I’m familiar with the traditional Christian concepts. Beyond simply reading the bible, I’ve studied it and other religious texts for more than three decades. Again, I have a slightly different perspective on what the fall of man is all about.
As I’ve already explained what an Entropic Satan is, there’s no need to repeat myself. But the fall of man is new to this discussion, and I’m very pleased you brought it up.
The fall of man occurred at the invention of written language. Yep-sir-ree-bob… There’s that Dualistic Image/Object relationship again.
Spoken language is estimated to be approximately 30-50 thousand years old. But written language is no older than 5-6 thousand years. Right about the same time as the biblical story of the fall. Before that, thoughts could only travel as far as a voice could carry them. They were limited in their space/time coordinate. Yet upon the invention of written language, man could express his thoughts beyond his local region, and beyond his time. Homers Iliad is the thought from a man thousands of years ago. Yet his thoughts are alive and present in our current era of modernity. They are also available to the entire world, rather than limited to his local region.
So when Adam and Eve tasted the fruit from the tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil, it wasn’t that they were confronted with Good and Evil, but instead they were confronted with the Knowledge of them. Their eyes had been opened to see as God sees.
And upon that moment, where written language was born, they had Knowledge that the Thought was Good, but the Medium that expresses it was Evil. It was the invention of The Image, The Idol, The Golden Calf. Woe to the man who worships the Physical Representation, rather than what that representation stands for.
All the more reason to promote the notion that Man expresses Satan into existence by worshiping the Flesh, or the Material. Flesh and Material suffer the effects of Entropy. It is Man’s wisdom, intelligence, conning, foresight, strength, vengeance, beauty, that manifests Satan into existence. We do this by grasping Entropy and forming it into lies. And all of these expression are created and carried out with Words. First we lie to ourselves. And then we carry these lies to others. By lying, we literally build Satan Idols out of the building blocks of an Entropic Satan Universe.
I can go with that. Since Complexity describes the Universe, and the Universe is Entropic, and Satan is Entropy, and everything physical including Man suffers the burden of Entropy, then crash and burn was the only thing that could happen, for that’s what Entropy does.
Tough I admire Mother Teresa, I’ve not seen one verse in the Bible to suggest that God is humble. God may be expressed in humility, but I’d need to see a scriptural reference to believe that God is actually a humble entity. If that were truly the case, then why would the first commandment be to not have any other Gods before him?
Actually we can. And forensics will confirm that for you after your next crime spree. Take any one cell from your body. It says camelherder all over it.
We can think anything we wish.
Are you speaking of spiritual death, or physical death? Christ came to offer us spiritual life, and not be fooled into thinking that physical death was anything to worry about at all. Physical death is a deception.
Mathew 6:26 “Look at the birds of the air; they do not sow or reap or store away in barns, and yet your heavenly Father feeds them. Are you not much more valuable than they?”
Many do. Some people talk to their cars. Some talk to walls.
I know of no communication protocols that allow humans and plants to converse with one another. It is a common mistake people often claim that Tree Rings tell us about the Growing Seasons. There is no codified structure to Tree Rings. It’s only observable phenomenon and Chaos is its master. But we harness that Chaos by describing it with code.
Ring #1 2cm
Ring #2 4cm
Ring #3 3cm…
The tree did not speak. Humans simply codify observable phenomenon. We do the same with Growing Seasons, and then infer a relationship between the two sets of data. But nowhere in this process did Chaos speak to humans. It can’t.
I never discussed anything about the Bible.
The only thing I’ve mentioned and discussed was the evolution of Christian theological logic, because the question was:
which is asking, “How is it possible that we find…”, which is a question of, “By what logic…”, and the context is, “finding the material world, dull, and unintelligent (flawed) yet created from a God that is eternally intelligent (not flawed)”; and this context means that we are talking about a creation theology in which the God is eternally intelligent and creates a world in which is held by the same theology as dull and unintelligent.
Now, there is only one such theology in existence, and that is Christianity.
The Judaic faith doesn’t even hold God and the World to be related in such a matter.
It is only the Christian faith that has this marking as easily as self enlightenment through the self alone has it’s own unique founding Religion in Buddhism.
As such, I gave an answer that discusses, “By which logic…”, that, “it is possible that ‘we’ (the observers of thought examining thought of man) can find this material, dull, and unintelligent yet created by a God that is not material, and instead is eternally intelligent.”
The logic has already been created and sits in the volume of the history of the evolution of the Christian theology.
quinticnon,
all of that for me ? wow . I’m really flattered . yes yes we must talk . but wait let me just say hi to my friends.
MOnk26,
it is unnecessary for you to explain . whats important you have the power to make people laugh. you made me laugh very hard . that’s a great gift.that might be your knack. pursue it .
Thestump,
You started your response addressing Monk26 …….you are talking about a specific Christian…… . But Monk26 doesn’t want people to talk about the bible. Also look where he got his questions from.
.Take it up with Monk26. work it out between yourselves. I’m just an innocent spectator. Thank you
okay quinticnon, / I am working man > i am working with you .
So my mistake is in including rocks and stars in your reduction entropy deal ?
You know when they asked Darwin what’s the origin of life he answered… you might as well ask what’s the origin of the universe.
Rocks are alive . Tell the mountain to move and it will. .Just make sure you have faith as much as a grain of mustard.
You must first change by giving up your idea of the world. matter is alive . non shall enter the kingdom of god except through him. the earth is cursed. so the earth isn’t going . the planets ? I don’t know. the sun? for sure . it’s hard to tell . originally it was all good .
Viruses have DNA too. so you should amend your claim to exclude those too. for me I include them.
Hey I’m a proponent of professor Yluj Andrews Theory that …The hill are alive with the sound of music .
The mountain is alive and so is the bush . reject that truth and you will get yourself killed before you know it .
This is very interesting idea…. that of reducing a code to a bit…I was under the impression a code is a code and that the code is made up of this and that .but you seem to have managed to reduce a code. to a bit . Will it still give us a grape? we get grapes we make wine
Molecule/protein is a bit that’s either on and off . electronic life. the movie Terminator ? right?
you know natural selection has some very difficult questions to answer .new stuff being discovered everyday .
. just throw this bit out and that bit out till you end up with one
You must talk to me more about this. I’m fascinated
the hills are alive with the sound of music . I’m awake now .
You seem to say Entropy is a Scientific fact that denies the medical fact that living cell is immortal because the universe will end .
Scientific or medical fact are accepted as true with the understanding the truth is never final.
Okay i will settle for half the time it will take the universe to end .
how long will it be before entropy will have ended the universe? I think you should provide a time frame. I’m always interested in end of the world sermons .
I feel sleepy again.I am yawning I swear.
quniticnon , did you have to go quote ever statement of mine .now i got to go over all of them.
I was talking about the reason why we die not why we live or our longevity
The skin between them? The skin between our fingers is programmed to die ? And longevity you say? The skin between our fingers and longevity?
What’s it called ? Apoptosis ? and this is the reason why we die . the skin between our fingers causes our death by apoptosis ?
okay , now i will never feel the same way about the skin between my fingers.
Here is what happened .First Jesus said to the people that he and the father are one. Then the people got upset and asked him why did he make himself the god. Jesus replied doesn’t it say we are gods.
seems Jesus agreed with the people interpretation that his statement meant that he was making himself a god and further more he said we all are .
Context is the trick
this one was an easy
more please…
I have to disagree. I think just about everything Jesus said and did is a claim that he is god . but i think its a piece of cake to show one instance in which he did . I already have .deal with it and let me know. I’m always interested in different opinion.
So the fall of man of man coincided with the invention of language . Adam tasted the fruit and got confronted by the knowledge of good and evil and just acquired the ability to see as god (ouch) and spoken language was invented then the invention of the image followed . the image of god ?
and "spoken language " is 50 thousand years old and “written language” is 5 to 6 thousand years give and take.
The problem with this you failed to mention when did non verbal language communication was invented. But for this failure quniticnon. but for this failure my friend .
You can go with Satan system crash ! great. finally i get something right. this calls for a celebration.
you like that system crash approach. you just love blips and clicks .processing processing processing … error error error … program froze. system crash
Why would you need proof from scripture to know if god is humble? Use entropy. use programing . use reduction.
so you read the whole bible looking for any verses to support the claim god is humble and you didn’t find any ? did you look after I said he is ? that was yesterday .
So we can reduce ourselves to living cell. Because each person has roughly all his cell with the same DNA.
honey I shrunk the kids.
question. can we be reduced to any of the living cells ? I don’t want to be reduced to a lower intestine cell.
Yes we can think of ourselves anything we wish. What we think is not everything we can think what we wish is not everything we can wish. Your world of which you are mental prisoner doesn’t allow it .
hey quinticnon . you will have to excuse me > i have to go for now > I will be back to finish this discussion.don’t go anywhere . stay please.
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We’re good; he never mentioned counter to my answer of how it theologically came to be.
And yes, it is Christian.
No, I did not talk about the Bible; repeating yourself doesn’t make something truth.
Again, I talked about the evolution of theological logic of the only Religion that is applicable to his question.
And again, he never discounted it; nor asked me to change that answer; we’re good.
Thank you Stumps.
Further,
Camel,
As it’s a discussion forum hence we discuss here on the ideas.
But it may happens with people like you, who came out to the Talkies after finish of movie,used to talk about director not the story of the movie.
Again,
The quality you were taking about,is yours not mine dear.lol.
Thestump,
Sorry . Not interested. Once around the merry go round is enough for me.
did you have any previous knowledge that Monk26 got the questions from that article?
you don’t have to answer
Monk26,
why are you talking to me . I got nothing to do with it .when do you mean to address the article from which you have copied the question?Talk to the article you got the questions from. see if you can come up with your own answers.
as far as I’m concerned your case is closed.
Quniticnon,
Back to you my friend
You say that physical death is a deception you say.
My advice do not try to prove it by experimenting on yourself. equally important don’t try it on anyone. It isn’t necessary. We all believe you.there is no need.
Irrelevant . In the context of death nothing is less or more important than another. We are creatures who will die. You will die. embrace that fact every minute of your life and it will have an amazing effect on your acts. Do not do that and you will thinking that you can always go back and fix things . then your acts will be the acts of ? that’s home work for you.
Yes you’re very valuable as eternal fuel for an eternal hell. How about that for valuable. just making a point.don’t worry .
Yes people do talk to cars and walls. the question is ,are you one of them ? Do you talk to your car or to the wall? if yes are you dangerous?
There is a protocol for talking to rock. You just have to disengage from your idea of the world.
Knowledge in that ancient Semitic tongue had nothing to do with its current meaning of today .the word knowledge back then was something to do with invisible world with the transcended. The word for knowledge of today was a different word.so if a person back then says to you …have you known ? he is not talking epistemology or whatever