I’m having a bit of trouble grasping this. We have plenty of muslims in America, and in some places they are nearing a majority. It’s not too often we find ourselves in a position where we ever hear of them jumping on the terrorist band wagon.
I fully agree, Islam in say… Pakistan, the hillbilly Wahabbi variation can be pretty intiminating, but it’s a system that’s killing itself off- if you say- don’t travel to Pakistan, and out military keeps them on the run, anable to reorganize serious training camps, recruitment cadres, and logistical structures capable of launching against us, then we have little to worry here in the US. This is no different than say, apparently Christian movements such as ‘The Lord’s Liberation Army’ in Central Africa, or Atheist movements such as the old ‘Tamil Tigers’, or the buddhist back regiem in Mynamar- just about every major movement has it’s backwards, disgruntled hillbilly sects. I don’t think any on this forum can claim immunity to this trend. If you don’t predict and prevent, or systemmatically react to these threats, you’ll end up like the Western Roman Empire, becomming overstretched, cracking down on Pagan rebellions out in the boonies- inviting disaster from outside the borders. If you keep these groups pressured, they inevitably will eat themselves back into civilization- the need for tactical and operational supremacy forces them to advance, and to conserve outside, non-traditional tech and means of doing things, making them more modern. Saudi Arabia is a good example- they accept the Pakistani Wahabbi outlook (it comes from Pakistan originally) but are significantly different in actual behavior over their ideological compatriots across the sea. They might agree with the outlook, but their hearts are increasingly not into it in the same manner.
In America- we have people wearing head dresses everywhere- from all over the old world- I can tell if they are from India, Malaysia, Syria, or North Africa fairly fast- even in the country side. Islamic culture and arabic isn’t a threat- even here in west virginia we have arabic speaking christian churches, several different groups large enough to have cultural festivals every year that thousands attend. I’m not worried shitless whenever I see a drapped woman go through the vegetable isle. In Iraq, outside of the shock of seeing just how deeply allowing the culture was in terms of promoting what we thought were clearly unislamic practices (we were more islamic in our thinking than they were apparently, expecting them to live up to the standard of our understanding of Islam and not be that into beastility, anal sex, bombing mosques and pilgramage routes, not brushing their teeth, etc) we rarely had any anti-muslim sentiment- we had muslims serving in our ranks, and it was just another religion among many- it just happened Islam was the flavor of crazy for my generation- last generation, it was atheists bent on world domination, or social-fascism with their cults of Nietzschean Power wanting their place the generation before that, before that it was imperial-colonial… the stuff shifts each generation, you don’t know what’s gonna start up in a particular sectarian outlook- who’s gonna want it more a few generations from now. Right now- it’s the Muslims, and it’s the Muslims in the most backwater, hellish shitholes. This tends to be the common denominator for the most part- even if the leader isn’t from such a place, he gravitates to that place.
The muslims are NOT a issue. Yes, Islam makes a point of promoting Jihad. So does all Judeo-Christian churches who still have the fuller compliment of old testiment works- there are times when it’s necessary to fight for one’s survival- be you a backwater people are a larger society trying not to be flooded by a stampede of backwater people. If men were more aware of this shared reality, we wouldn’t have to engage in so much useless war- we overstep to ensure our own survival- the ones who don’t have a tendency to break down and perish… if we comprehended this on all levels, we wouldn’t have to overstep as we could just communicate this understanding and arrange our affairs in a manner where we wouldn’t threaten one another. But we don’t. Hence- Islam got scared of the west in many countries because we seemed everywhere because the previous generations of propaganda from a different war said we were everywhere- and we were everywhere because they went everywhere themselves to build up enough support to attack us… therefor we’re imperialist for defending ourselves in the past, and islam is a world wide imperialist movement because it’s mimicking past efforts to war.
In the end, there isn’t even ‘Islam’ or ‘west’, or whatever sect of outlook you hold to, or nation or political party you belong to… it’s all a reaction to worry on our own, individual parts. Muslims are not fighting because the koran says to- they are MOTIVATED TO FIGHT because the culture the world has evolved into has told them to fight. It’s a basic, simple, sad dialectic of perceiving aggressor over the agressed, and adding substance to it by saying one is a oppressor, one it the oppressed… and adding further formulaic meaning ‘the agressor agressing is the oppressor and the exploitator, for they must be exploiting if we are poor and miserable. Therefore, whatever makes us poor and miserable is the results of what is taken from us, and they are taking from us through these actions. History tells us this much, as do our teachers and politicians.’
In the end- none of these points make much sense. The people fighting rarely have some deeply contrived plot for world domination- they have a solution for world domination, and it’s usually in the formula developed to defeat the Axis- total annihilation of the idenity and capacity of the other- a complete and total extingishment of their viewpoint, and liberation by absorbing them into our viewpoint. These liberators see nothing but the pleasures to be gained by the others in accepting their better world view, as well as in themselves in being the liberators and spread of enlightenment. This is no different from a jihadist in some cesspool seeking to bring his message and outlook over a American seeking to bomb the fuck out of them… both are equal in intent, but not in pains, paradoxes and contradictions, and likely results of the end game within their lifetime.
Right now, there is more justification in fighting against the behavior in terrorism than in dismissing it like a Gore Vidal, as this leads to unwarranted death, needless chaos, and destruction in places that didn’t have it before. The onus of the pain rests on the muslims in these lands perpetuating the pain, having voluntarily equated their problems with the need to attack the west, instead of finding local solutions to their own problems and not soliciting outside violence. In this sense, they very much invited us in, and made it their problem. At the same time, we don’t have to pursue this method peacemeal in the west like we did with the Nazis… a total and complete ananthema isn’t needed, as it’s largely only happening in the cesspools. We didn’t make them, they were for the most part always cesspools- the same ones in many cases Alexander the Great first encountered and were scoffed by, and in todays world, are no longer isolated- as long as they are backward cesspools, we’re a continious target as WE ARE NOT as they are, and they will resent us. The Islamic link comes into place only when it’s noted we’re considered legitimate targets in Jihad, making it that much easier. But we need to note the underlying hysteria that usually runs with such ease of making these connections also leads to contradictions- yes, it’s permissable to Jihad against Christians, but they usually are too busy fucking over their own neighbors first to ever get the means to do so- it’s not too different from the genocide in Rwanda- we were told it was tribal violence, and that’s largely how it was justified, but the actual results of who massacred who often times showed the same tribes would massacre their own people in nearby villages without much through otherwise. Desperate pains breed destruction indiscriminate of ideology. As Seneca said: Miser ex potente fiat ex misero potens -let it make misery from power and power from misery.
Most muslims just don’t really go along behaviorally with anything their more fanatical neighbors do- anymore than the Atheists in society fight for a historical dialectic of Marx tooth and nail, or Buddhists resign themselves to a starving death, or Hindus fly around on golden geese with neon colored skin with multiple arms bombing one another with weapons of mass destruction… most of them in America are seemless Americans. The faith and cohesion with the rules and ettiquette of daily Islam is enough, and most don’t get screwed with- some might encounter a sly remark at best. They fit in rather well. The Yemini population actually worries me, they are seemingly specializing in only selling liqour out of corner markets, who’s only food items are potato chips, pickles, and overpriced candies. This doesn’t sound to Islamic. Like i said, non-muslims tend to be over Islamic in perception. There are even sects of pacifistic Islam thriving here in the US quite well- they are a cultural counter from Pakistan to the Wahabbi beat you goat branch… and the wahabbi are calming down and becomming more schoalastic and introspective. Why? Because they are accepted, not really threatened (they can admittedly do without the sly remarks and the stairing in the airport… but in the airports we’re going to be a little jittery for obvious reasons), and can do as they please as much as anyone else.
Wars suck… it’s not the good stuff your pet philosophers tell you it is. It’s usually just men rolling around in shit- poking holes in one another- if you don’t die painfully, you’ll get a infection, if the infection doesn’t get you, then you get to try again and again- and if you get through it all, it means you were either really good at warring, or much more likely, not really any good at it, and just fucked and and bumbled around like a moron as others died needlessly and miserably on either side. Why? Because both sides had a apparent reason why… but those reasons rarely survive reflection, looking back afterwards, outside of stemming the choas.
Yes- your identities are ‘threatened’. But fuck- your identies are hallow, and decaying as it is. Europe is forming into something akin to the US Eurostyle, ever thicker degrees of federation and centralization, sapping local national authority to a higher transeuropean one. Your languages are mostly for show- the largest language groups reacted hostily to Russian and English in clamping down on natural growth- new words can’t be made, or foreign terms added to the language, without permission… it’s quite clear your people aren’t allowed to think in anything but a authentic native language, and these languages are increasingly less and less authentic the more and more control is exerted on perserving them from freeflowing utility arising from a vibrant lifestyle, adapting to the changes and circumstance of life.
Islam isn’t the thing we need to fear, but a unguided dogmatism that encourages not a search for ourselves and the other- as dogmatism in it’s best form does, linking paradox together through experience of life, but in it’s worst, ridgid, unquestioned thought patterns that we adhere to unquestionably.
The wars are only going to be increasing as time goes by. Today, it’s American lead Anti-Islamic terrorism, tomorrow, it can be another rpower trying to smolder some shitholes fanatical beliefs in naturally desertfied regions of the world global warming and GMO foods, blaming us for the Gobi desert and because someone who’s surrering from lead poisoning in Mali can blame someone living in England or Denmark, bombing the fuck out of them for no fucking reason other than it was established a generation ago from poor rhetoric that they were the bad exploiters, and must clearly be the cause for why the desert is so fucking hot, and why life sucks so much for them. The Religion that’s pooping up around GMO foods and enviromentalism can be the link that breaks the camel’s back in making it more acceptible… or it can be something completely different… we don’t know at this point. We can only know this- a culture of Them Vs Us without rationality, without trying to get to know the other has only intensified the overall, increasingly pointless struggle. It has much less to do with the ideological circumstances than we claim it does. It’s not without merit, and if the attacked- or the likely attacked, don’t respond they are effectively doomed- but there is a way to responsibly modulate our responses. Being scared shitless of the other’s way of life, having to outlaw it’s customs involving dress- of all harmless things DRESS!, shows a culture that is doomed. Especially for the Europeans, Europeans no longer remember how to soldier a gun and defend yourselves- your all disarmed, and have no realistic way of resisting a foreign power from without without help from without, or defending yourselves from a determined foe within. Alot of your point of views are baseless, foolish, childish at best, and clearly influenced from some bad choices in drugs- as no sane society would do this to themselves- alienate your strongest allies, while antagonizing the daylights out of your largest immigrant populations who are from nations your allies are actively engadges in a war with, while being completely unable to protect yourselves, perfering to scapegoat old, safe scapegoats like the Jews, or Capitalism, or Russia, or The Sun. Fuck… why not get angry at the snow and the cold- it’s been a constant enemy since the dark ages.
Just get your heads out of your asses, get some control over yourselves. Stop being scared of foreign religions, or ‘religions in general’, as the atheism thats adopted today is increasingly sectarian and faith based itself, with it’s own metaphysics in many cases… and grow a backbone and become a pragmatic people, not looking for goblins around every corner.
Americans have no illusions. We’re not trying to close down the mosques, we’re not planning a occupation of Mecca and Medina… it’s a long war, and it’s a war we gotta be active and reactive in- but it’s not our sole concern in life- it’s a annoyance that gets in the way. Other aspects of life dominate center stage. We’re not determined by the threats, nor will we ever expect to find our ends bowing, cowing to them. When we have to fight, we will do so. But our goal is a reduction of the need till there is no need anymore. We’re not going to change who we are- and that’s being very accepting to outsiders who are given the right to come here and live, all because some backwards misfits in Buttfuckistan come down with a case of Muppet Cabin Fever, stringing along some bad ideolgies from various sects like some half baked British Marxist trying to unravel the secret of past conspiracies by linking everything on particular countries over say- themselves. It’s very rare we’ll come along across a ideologist to whom it suddenly occurs ‘oh fuck, it’s people just like me who are the problem. I’m the one preaching this shit, I’m the one fingerpointing and continuing the hate from time immorial, telling anyone with a pain in life as to who to grudge. It’s me, and it’s always been men like me!’. No… we’re too dishonest with ourselves to ever admit it.