You know l’m @LampAndNightingale because you PMed me to remind me to reply to you on this thread, and so l began my first post under this ID, at your urging.
Please, stop trying to wriggle out of answering my Qs. There’s a reason why few if any Xtians invite people to interrogate their beliefs. Xtian doctrine is easily unpicked and l take no pleasure in it, because of that.
So it is L who began your first post under that ID?
If a Xtian makes Qs is it a Qtian? And if it asks about the tips, is it a Qtip?
@WeSee Don’t worry l’m not angry with you actually, just frustrated that you asked for questions, promised solid answers, got questions, and ignored them over and over and you’re just throwing flashbangs now, about how l’m on a new ID, like … ok … but what about Jesus and questions about him?
John 14:26 mixed John 11:7 up with John 8:19 when John 16:4 was telling them about the basket of coconuts and what they mean. It was an honest mistake. Lotta Johns and languages back then. In fact, one time, John 15:3 used a word that meant something else in John 3:21’s language, and instead, he brought him his sister’s dirty socks instead of three bails of grain. Translation problems were really bad with these guys.
Let’s take this one step at a time.
First of all I am not a Christian, have never been a Christian, would never be a Christian. Christian doctrine is antithetical to the gospel Jesus preached. LN was made aware of this.
Axiom. Do not agree. Keeping jesus’s commandments entails not committing sin. Not “staying with his religion”.
The point was that LN seemed willing and capable of engaging in reasoned discussion. It’s as if you are a very different person from that. Please find the person that seemed to be LN.
Keep commandments = stay true to the religion.
You say commandements = not committing sin. This is just a convoluted way of saying keep to what is prescribed = keep to the religion.
This is what l’ve been asking you over and over to explain, and here you’ve discretely tucked away a response. I’m sorry, but, saying “Advocate / Advisor / one who speaks alongside = “an inner voice” is:
(i) Not needed by past precedent of other prophets and a contemporary one (John the Baptist, peace be upon him - aka Prophet Yahya) and the example of Muhammad (peace and blessings be upon him).
(ii) Not needed by virtue of reason. I mean, it can be reasoned that we don’t need an inner voice to help us follow Jesus. In fact it can be said we are judged on our own merits, we each stand alone on the day of Judgement.
(iii) Inner voice is given no mandate.
(iv) Inner voice, if it previously accompanied Christ, should not mix with ordinary people, that would profane it
(v) Why have Christ at all? Why not just have Inner Voice?
(vi) Objectively speaking, l do not see anything Inner Voice has done. Xtianity manifests in similar ways to other Abrahamic faiths. People congregate to worship, People do rituals. People reform themselves through contemplation and deeds. All without Inner Voice.
So you see, inner voice is extraneous.
I put it to you that in John 14:
Jesus said stay close to his teachings, implying something terrible was going to happen with his message. Jesus said someone that will speak for him will nonetheless arrive, and if you stay with the original teaching, that Jesus is prophet and Messiah, then you will be receptive to this Advocate.
I put it to you that the Dark Side duly waited til he left earth, and then set about mangling the scripture so that Christians would instead worship a coming man-God (which Jesus was warning against). The problem was, too many people were au fait with Jesus’s actual teachings. Solution: hunt them down, exterminate them,. and simultaneously put out vulgate editions of the NT where the Advocate is just Spirit. Truth. Ghost. Inner Voice. Me and You. One Body. All is well. Not another prophet. Do not wait for another prophet.
That would explain the clumsy wording of John 14 and anything else dealing with Jesus’s so called divinity and the Advocate. The Dark Side were doing their best, knowing that the true Gospel was still doing the rounds, so they had to make only the most important edits, specifically:
To put the seal on the matter, they had synodic councils, polemics, a whole scene of trinitarian arguments where for and against were all trinitarian nonetheless. And so in all that verbiage, people soon forgot:
That would explain the mess that is John 14.
You explanations are weak as l have shown.
You still have not answered all my questions, just attempted one.
You read the Bible and are Bible-based and follow Jesus and none after him, but claim not to be Christian.
I’m done here, peace 
Be honest with yourself. Your reading comprehension skills aren’t very good. Your critical thinking skills aren’t very good. Your conceptual thinking skills are poor. You way over estimate yourself.
When you were in school, you were in no danger of being amongst thte best and the brightest. It’s because of the above. It’s never too late to develop those skills. It begins with humility.
Is humility not a part of islam?
…Who has shown?
After answering just one of my qs (?) you’ve given up and now make it about my education. My school days and lack of academic prowess don’t change the fact that the NT, e.g. John Chapter 14, is all over the place! It is just innuendo and l have made a compelling argument as to why.
Jesus promised AHMD, true Christianity was persecuted and with the death of the Seven Sleepers of Ephesus circa 550-600CE, it would have been completely lost were it not for the Advocate / “the person who speaks alongide, in support of” Jesus i.e. AHMD, finally arriving as foretold - MHMD was born in 570 CE, and his name was never used by anybody before, his father died before he was born, his mommy died when he was an infant, before becoming a prophet he was just an honest merchant whom people called Al Amin because he was honest. On a journey to Syria a Christian monk called Bahira recognised who he was (Christians and Jews were still even then in large part awaiting another Prophet, probably due to the Seven Sleepers still maintaining the original Christianity) but it was years later that the revelations began.
Yes humility is part of Islam, and l am not attacking you. I am attacking your avoidance of answering my qs. Bye!
“My school days and lack of academic prowess don’t change the fact that the NT, e.g. John Chapter 14, is all over the place!”
They couldn’t help it, bro. They had only just discovered the wheel and had a terrible time speaking clearly. Like back then, you couldn’t even say ‘good morning’ without it being poetically overdramatic or in the form of a riddle.
I used to think it was crazy that people today still read that nonsense, but it’s so bad I’m almost thinking that this was all an intelligently designed conspiracy by some kind of alien predators that wanted to produce a planet of sheep they could prey on for sport or something.
That, or scientists have yet to discover the gene that makes a 21st-century brain fascinated with the bible. Like in the future, there’ll be a name for the disease… named after the dude who figured it out, I’d reckon.
Wait… there already is. It’s called the Vonhamsonshmidt Syndrome… first discovered by Gustave Vonhamsonshmidt.
In the same way that nobody bothers anymore with examining the epic of gilgamesh, christianity too will be all but forgotten about.
It just takes a while for a meme disease to work its way out of the system. We’re in the first stage… the fake Christian stage. This is when everybody is a Christian because it’s so easy and there’s nothing better to do. They aren’t really Christian (there was only one Christian), just docile and exhausted working class people that think there must be something to it because so many people believe it.
JeSAS!
Actually you declared that you were “done here”. That is why I “gave up.” For you to depict it otherwise is dishonest.
The only reason that you believe that you have made “compelling arguments” is that you are hampered by your lack of good reading comprehension skills, good critical thinking skills and good conceptual thinking skills. If you had humility, you wouldn’t overestimate yourself like you do.
You certainly are prideful.
Gosh. You only had to just argue against what l’m concluding, or defend your scripture. That was all you needed to do.
Maybe it is “L” that has compelling arguments
You keep heaping dishonesty upon dishonesty.
Be honest with yourself. Your reading comprehension skills aren’t very good. Your critical thinking skills aren’t very good. Your conceptual thinking skills are poor. You way over estimate yourself.
When you were in school, you were in no danger of being amongst thte best and the brightest. It’s because of the above. It’s never too late to develop those skills. It begins with humility.
Is humility not a part of islam? Humility is a beautiful thing.
I invite anybody to read through this thread and see how this person has evaded my questions.
These are thing to show not tell, and when you tell - when you go ad hom - it is generally a sign that you cannot show.
If you can’t see how instead of dealing with the issues you supposedly wanted to discuss, you exalted yourself at someone else’s expense, then what is the point of focusing on Jesus at all?