Just came across this report
Which includes the following
+++More support for madrasas to prevent radicalisation, including help for mosques that want to expel extremists and recruit imams who understand Britain.+++
So once again we are going to be expected to hand over protection money. When will this end?
When we drop nuclear bombs all over the middle east.
Sometimes you just gotta pick your poison, Maia. Sometimes there’s no good option, there’s only options less bad.
Isn’t this how the Franks prevented the Vikings from invading? I think they called it the Danegeld.
It was the English. And strangly enough, it didn’t work. They just kept coming back for more, and eventually took over the whole country.
I think it was a few countries, wasn’t it?
Yeah, well, FJ makes a good point–sometimes you just have to go with what works. But the disconcerting question then becomes: what will this lead to? If it didn’t make the Viking situation any better, why would it work on terrorism?
mayhaps the quran, among it’s endless suggestions of violence, also encourages acceptance of bribes?
Yes, especially the British Isles and France though. The different states dealt with the problem in different ways. The king of England, Ethelred, started paying protection money to the Danes from AD 991 onwards (initially of £10,000, literally millions in today’s money), which eventually amounted to over 100 tons of silver, which is why so many English silver coins are found in Scandinavia. They just kept coming back for more and more, until the Danish king, Cnut, took over the English throne in person in 1016.
The French tried a different tactic. They simply gave in and handed over a vast swathe of northern France to the Northmen, hence its name, Normandy. It was their descendants who conquered England in 1066.
Scotland fared even worse, with something like 3/4 of the kingdom taken over by the Norwegians, and the Irish kingdom was completely extinguished by them.
It stipulates that non-Muslims have to pay a special tax to their Muslim rulers, a status known as dhimmi. More a form of tribute than a bribe.
In a way, it’s quite humane.
Think about it. There’s some guy, and he’s mental. There’s nothing really you can do to change him, his kids maybe, but not him, not in this lifetime.
What’re your options…? Well, there’s the nuclear option. Always that. Boom. You have that power. Too bad the mental guy doesn’t really fear that sword of damocles hanging over his head (and the head of all his friends and relations) with your scissors poised at the thread that holds it. You can bet some of his friends and familly do though. Maybe they’ll talk to him…?
Who knows.
Or you could give him some money. Nukes are expensive afterall. Money’s cheap. You could secretly get it back in tax maybe. You’re sneaky afterall, and he’s a dumbass.
Setting a bad precedent…? I s’pose you are. Though one that would be hard for any other opportunist to exploit. A bit hard for Derek the underpaid post-office worker from Milton Keynes to suddenly become a believable islamist threat.
All that paying these guys will do is make terrorism into a lucrative business.
I dunno, the overheads seem prohibitive.
Perhaps you would like to try some of your aryan magic to fix the problem?
Given your poor reasoning pretty much everywhere else, it is not surprising that here you equate helping religious schools keep out radicals with providing protection money.
You seem to have missed the point. Paying this sort of money, whether you like the term protection money or not, never actually works, as history has proved time and time again.
It’s also quite amusing that you accuse me of poor reasoning while making such an ironic blunder in terminology. Aryan is a linguistic term equivalent to Indo-Iranian, and refers to the languages mainly spoken in Iran, Afghanistan, Pakistan and India.
As for magic, I believe I explained very clearly in my thread on the subject that the wise practitioner does not use it as a replacement for other methods, but, depending on circimstances, as a supplement.
I think that it is you who have missed the point.
Perhaps it is your Aryan magic that is clouding your judgment, but nothing in what you cited points to some kind of protection racket. The money that is being spent could be being spent on increased policing to protect those madrassa that eject their more radical members. That seems like good policing.
It is not uncommon for racists to ignore recent history. Many racist whites have used the term to imply a certain supernatural betterness to their heritage.
The money is not being used for policing, but in direct grants.
I’ve already told you that Aryan refers to the Indo-Iranian languages, yet still you continue to use it incorrectly. I’m fully aware that the Nazis, for example, misused the term. But then, the Nazis were allied with Muslim factions in the Middle East, and there were even Muslim SS divisions. Given what the Koran says about Jews, namely, that they are descended from apes and pigs, and given Muhammad’s example of the genocide of the Jewish tribe of Medina, it is hardly surprising they found common ground with the Nazis.
Why are you even bringing racism into the argument? Islam is not a race, it’s an ideology.
Are you paranoid, or are you using your magic to get access to information that is not available. Neither the word “direct” nor the word “grants” appears in the article you provided. You seem to be merely allowing your fears take over your reasoning.
Because it’s nothing new. Government and local authority money, that is, our money, has long been channelled to these types of organisation in the hope of promoting peaceful relations. As events have proved, this hasn’t worked. Worse, cutting off these grants now would be interpreted by some as an attack. This is just more of the same.
I can’t think of a better definition of protection money.
So you are just making stuff up.
Good to know.