It seems that we now have to pay compensation to the Kenyans for the British Empire. Notwithstanding the fact that Kenya would still be a swamp if it wasn’t for the British Empire.
uk.news.yahoo.com/uk-compensate- … ml#tCBZnBF
I look forward to the Italians paying us compensation for 400 years of occupation during the Roman Empire.
So when do the people killed and maimed by the Mau Mau get a cut?
Oh they won’t? Sounds fair…
Of course she does, she gets paid and gets to pretend to be a big player in social “justice” and “progress”.
Early 60s no doubt with post-colonial BS continuing compared with 1600 years ago. Also the Roman Empire included colonization and war against other parts of what is now Italy.
Ah, so colonialism is really a good thing. As long as we do it to them and they don’t do it to us of course.
Was this not obvious?
This is like saying “Oh so if you got in a fight and won it would be good, but if you lost it would be bad”.
Well duh.
But it’s not necessarily that binary of a matter in any case. Colonialism can be of benefit to the lands being colonized.
But this is obviously a strong point of contention.
Well, you know me: anything can be rationalized from a point of view. I’m just reminding Maia that someday folks might be arguing about whether to compensate her for ripping the world she knows to shreds.
Sure, and if I came into your home, smacked you over the head, took you in a van with your head covered by a bag to a farmhouse in the middle of nowhere, controlled the next decade of your Life while teaching you what I Think you should Think about technology, philosophy, politics etc, maybe you would benefit. But I will bet if you could sue me, you would. You’d also likely Think I should go to jail, at least you would Think this until the Stockholm Syndrome and whatever direct brainwashing I did could take effect. And you might dispute my right to focus on whatever benefits I Think or even you Think were accrued when seeking justice against me.
Maia, why to only Kenya?
It is not about the Britain only.
The list includes most of the European countries like Endland, France, Holland, Spain, Italy, Germany, Belgiam, Sweden, Austria. And, Japan is also included in the list.
If all these countries would start paying for all their colonialization, then i am quite sure that most of them would become bankrupt in a single day.
with love,
sanjay
OH, I like that one. Seeing immigration as a kind of soft and by comparison very respectful colonization. That is an irony which may not be noticed despite your post. But well done anyway.
And the rest of the world was all peace and love till we turned up, was it?
Primitive tribes in Africa and the rest of the world took great delight in killing each other and enslaving each other. The only reason they didn’t do it to us was because they never developed the organisational skills or technology. We put a stop to tribal warfare, but it returned as soon as we left.
[b]Sometimes people hold a core belief that is very strong. When they are presented with evidence that works against that belief, the new evidence cannot be accepted. It would create a feeling that is extremely uncomfortable, called cognitive dissonance. And because it is so important to protect the core belief, they will rationalize, ignore and even deny anything that doesn’t fit in with the core belief.
Frantz Fanon, Black Skin, White Masks [/b]
I guess you just had to be there…actually going through it. But, sure, this can be the case from conflicting points of view.
So Maia should be robbed and stolen from, just to alleviate the feelings of injustice some nameless group has?
What if Maia feels an injustice against her from becoming victimized by theft, then what?
I’m just pointing out the obvious: that there were lots and lots and lots of folks who perceived themselves as victims of colonialism. That saw their lives being stolen from them. And they felt this was unjust. And I’m sure some might be appalled at what seems a rather blatant rationalization for it.
And then someone could do the same thing to her…and then years later argue, “well, you have to admit, you’re better off now.”
Oh I see, one group “steals” from another group, and so the victims of theft want to turn this around, and “steal back” from their oppressors colonizers?
There’s a problem with this picture you’ve painted. First problem is, what is this, eye for an eye? Two wrongs make a right, and two rights make a left?
Assuming that these grievances are justified, which they’re probably not but we’ll assume they are for the sake of argument, why does Maia need to pay?
I don’t think she should pay the price. I think she should tell them to fuck off, back to their third world world country. If they want money, then they should you know…work for it, and earn it, instead of stealing it from innocent people???
I don’t think you get my point. And I don’t want to waste your time or my own trying to explain it to you. Let’s just agree to disagree.
I agree to disagree.
But, if you are proposing or implying that Maia should have to pay “victims of colonial abuse”, then I will continue to disagree further. She shouldn’t have to pay anybody, anything.
Well, I won’t make her.
That’s pretty standard practice in society. I steal Money from you and the police Catch me they will take it from me and give it to you. This can even happen with negligent management of your funds or even compensation for, say, having set up a very dangerous workplace - iow playing fast and loose with your Health and you lost an arm, so you get Money in return.
The only issue, it seems to me, is around identity. How much time can elapse Before it no longer makes sense? This would include I suppose some sense of whether the benefits have continued into the present even if the original criminals, if they are so judged, are no longer alive.
However this same issue should then be raised in relation to things like 3rd World debt. Often you have a country run by a dictator or otherwise corrupt Group who ‘borrow’ a large amount of Money from the WEst for reasons that benefit them and some Western Corporations but not the people so much. Or even better meaning governments.
Then the loans get due and Western governments via the IMG either get to demand the return of funds from people who did not benefit and did not agree to the loans OR the Western organizations get to Control all sorts of laws inside those countries, anything from how they will tax, what crops people will grow, how their social support systems will work, and so on. IOW all this talk about spreading democracy is not watching what the left hand is doing.
Now when I see Maia out picketing in support of ending 3rd World debt, I will be more sympathetic to her distaste for reparations.
(and by the way, this is often the precise intention of those loans – to get Control of the economies - though they often score on the front end when they the loans go to WEstern Corporations for builing things or services that are not necessarily at all beneficial to the people who will later be expected to pay back the loans Win Win takes on a more machievellian meaning in this context)
Let’s say your father was Hitler. Jews around the world, and European victims of Hitler, would demand all your money from you. Is that fair?
You’re saying that the “Sins of the Father” are passed on to the son? Is that what you’re saying? You’re saying that the hypothetical son of Hitler, should have to be taken, stolen from, to justify Hitler’s crimes?
You’re preaching eye for an eye, except in this case, the son did nothing. You can’t prosecute the dead. You can’t steal from the dead.
This is a bloody load of rubbish. Maia didn’t harm anybody. She didn’t steal from anybody. She shouldn’t pay a cent for “retribution”. She owes nothing, and people should defend her, not steal from her.
She owes nothing. She shouldn’t pay a dime of her taxes toward these lying and thieving lawyers. That’s what these lawyers are, vultures. They want to steal, by provoking “feelings of injustice”.
You’re white, therefore, you automatically have to pay for white Southern slavery in America, even though you’re Finnish and never stepped a foot outside of Finland. You still need to pay, because white guilt is universal.
The crime of one is the crime of all.
The crime of the father is the crime of the son.
This is what you people believe. This is what you’re arguing. I won’t have any of it. Maia owes nothing.
That’s not the way things work, Reno.
It is not her obligation or responsibility to stop “world suffering” and “world hunger”. It’s yours. You’re casting the first stone, here.
You’re legitimizing stealing from her, by taking her tax dollars away from her, due to what happened centuries ago???
You need justify all of this.