Harm and Rejection

I think you summarised the situation well. It would indeed be healthy to be able to find hope within ones self.

The result of finding hope within ones self would be a healthy psychological mindset… But the cause of finding hope within ones self is a healthy psychological mindset. It is a viscous circle, and as Arc stated, requires a hell of a lot of patience to endure the process of change from unhealthy to healthy mindsets. These mindests are well formed psychological habits which can take years to change.

Have you ever made a conscious decision to intentionally change a well developed psychological habit? If so, was it easy or hard to change? How long did it take you?

Thanks. :slight_smile:

I think an alternate cause in developing a healthy mindset is if one has others who can support / guide them. People who themselves have the health to give to others as well as themselves - who can influence strongly.

This opening possibility for exponential growth in the shared psychological traits / habits / attitudes, instead of everyone being isolated and left to fend for themselves.

The outcome, seemingly more often than not.

Absolutely.

I’m riddled with many harmful habits that I actively work to overcome. Habits deeply rooted in the remnants of an adverse childhood, thus futile in confronting without first overcoming that which nourishes these piercing and strangling offshoots.

No doubt hard, no doubt painful.

I began the first small steps in seeking health as a teenager, and I’ve accomplished a significant amount of growth since then. I’m now recently turned 25, yet still battling many of the things I endured then. Some took 5 years, others are going strong 10 years later.

This is so apropo, given that it is time o make resolutions, again. How many will we be able to keep and sustain? The statistics are bad in this regard, hope is a sweet bird, of youth, but those who are able not only to look back, but to look foreward with the learned experience from back to fore, may be able to change things. Therefore faith is a prerequisite before hope, the faith in one’s self, and of others willing to put up with him.

Separate!

Economic realities (government fiscally responsible policies) do not always allow for this.

I think this is absolutely fundamental. But, as I suggested in the OP… what if the significant others of a person are the ones who harm and reject them? If a person is an adult then, to some degree, the adult may have the choice to seek out appropriate influence. What if the person is a child?

We are all riddled with harmful habits of mind from our youth (some from our adulthood too). In my life I would say that if I made a determined and concentrated effort to change a habit of mind, then a 10 year plan is a realistic plan. If this is the case, at what point do we become responsible for our own habits of mind… at what age are we emotionally/psychologically/habitually free? Is it 13, 16, 18, 21? Recent research within neuro-pscyhology tends to support the hypothesis that a persons brain does not become mature until the age of about 26 (full myelination of the frontal lobe). Meaning, it is not until about 26 years of age that a person can regulate their emotions, impulse control and understand the broader context of consequences of ones own actions. Trauma, in the form of repeated harm and neglect from significant others, is believed to impact on the development of the frontal lobe (as well as most other regions of the brain) and this impacted development alters the “26 year old” factor.

In such a case, where do we “morally” draw a line in the sand between the person having “full” responsibility and the persons childhood care-providers having “full” responsibility? Should, for example, parents/carers be held legally/morally accountable even if their child is 35 years old?

For example, if you look at child sexual abuse and plot this on top of a genogram (family tree) then there is more often than not intergenerational abuse that would “appear” as almost a genetic disposition to abuse. That is child abuse is an inherited psychological habit. The same genogram can be used to examine domestic violence and other forms of abuse. This is the one of the concepts behind Bowen family systems theory:

In essence, this is what you stated… but it is always useful to remember that each interaction has the capacity to affect a person positively or negatively. For a positive impact to occur it relies on a person breaking prior negative connections (physical and psychological) and then forming new positive connections (physical and psychological). This is not always possible as people are often locked into a particular socio-cultural/political/economic environment which continues to exert influence over the person (the Great American Dream and the Land of Opportunity do not always hold true).

How does one truly become free from habits of mind? Are we truly responsible for these habits of minds for our entire life (if we can never become completely free from them)?

I think the way to free one’s mind from reacting automatically to the conditions of the environment, is axioimatic within the question. It is to de-automate the response from the negative conditions. When this is not literally possible, vis, changing the conditions themselves, then more importantly, disengage the response. How? changing the appreception of the neccessity of the automaton’s response, to one of contingency. How? Contingency becomes a grid of more then one cognitive response.
The realization of choices occurs when,in addition to the set pattern usually functioning in a closed,
didactic relationship of necessary response, is opened, when more options are consciously realized.
Once this happens, it is the function of the power of the will, to force the automaton to release it’s hold, and switch gears.

In the beginning, every time the automaton tries to regain the control and the upper hand of cognitive functioning, the newly realized patterns have to be repeatedly swithched unto. At some point it may not be necessary to consciously do this, and freedom of mind will cause the effected mood state to change in accordance of newly emerging and open systems.

The harm done by rejection, may be counterbalaned, even if not entirely eliminated, by inclusion of more and more inclusive and not excluded (rejected) material. I think for this to happen, CBT is the best course of action in the beginning, and inclusion/exclusion may become at the next stage both: an effected change in the affect, or perceptive
feedback.

But to the degree of success, the initial state’s harm may be seen as the measure and degree of the amount and severity of the rejection. In the mst sevre cases, of total rejection, especially in very small children before the age of three, cognitive re-mapping may be almost impossible, to neer impossible, and childhood schizophrenia/autism may be very difficult to avoid. In adults, the mapping is easier , since corrtelation of symbolic connections between primary and secondary processes are more graduated and complete.

In children the amount of filling in, between processes is a guessing game for these type of children, to see what works is the key for them to develop the missing symbolic signifiers. These type of persons will never let go of their guessing game, and the symbolic interlocutor will always be encased in a shell of uncertainty, doubt, and a show me attitude. Make them a believer every time, they will always be suspicious to a degree toward even advances of kindness offered gtoward them, because the signifiers of meaning, will always need to be re tried, as these symbolic interlocators have no connection to the ground of established ‘knowledge’ of the original symbol.

Their own personal harm’s way may be avoided only, at the cost of repetition, repeating ad-nauseum the connection’s validity, the old automatic connection never replaced to the degree that the psyche can actually switch the gears to another form of automatic response. If they try this, and when they do, the whole personality may end up by figuratively becoming a train wreck, speeding along rails of predictable, and unswitchable courses. At this time the only option left is to shut down, and cease to function. The disfunctional among us in society, living in shadows of dispair, in the ghettos and skid rows of insitutional de facto rejection (segregation), out of which it’s neer impossible to move out of, are the victims , the examples of what this really means in human terms.