Ichthus77’s “At the End of the Day”

At the end of the day, I’m droppin reflections here that don’t fit anywhere else. Tell me why I don’t know what else to tell you.


First installment.


Any legitimate “teleological suspension of the ethical” isn’t a true suspension. It is just graded absolutism. …and the Noble Lie was already available as the perfect example (we do not owe the truth of their targeted victim’s location to a would-be murderer). And that is how you resolve Abraham’s near sacrifice of Isaac (plus the resurrection, which is how Paul had already resolved it). (Contra Kierkegaard.)

When Jesus says you won’t believe unless you see signs, and yet they rejected signs because they were more interested in being wowed than following the evidence where it leads (the point that would paradigm shift all of their previous assumptions around it) — and you can see that the only reason we really like signs is a) we like to be wowed (we are suckers for sophistry), and b) we’re lazy and like to outsource our responsibilities—curtailing the effort required in gaining informed consent—but see which sign Jesus used to gain ours.

So it’s kind of interesting that in the Genesis narrative the first choice was naming everything to notice you didn’t have a match. There wasn’t anything external to you that you could name that was like you out there. It’s almost like you couldn’t name yourself. Kinda like person couldn’t equal person yet.

Then it’s not like in the garden they didn’t have access to life, which was the quality tree.

There was a whole ‘nother tree, the knowledge of good and evil, which, if they ate of it, they would die. Obviously not the quality (life) tree. …and it required a choice. Only after they made that choice did they lose access to the tree of life — the quality tree. Before that everything was perfect between them and God, there was no broken quality. Everything was beautiful.

So you could say the fruit of the tree of life represented value.

…and the fruit of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil represented nihilism—choosing otherwise than life/value.

…because before they chose the knowledge of good and evil, it was all good/quality/beautiful/value.

How are you gonna put that choice on the same tree? A tree only grows one kind of fruit. Unless you graft in this totally ‘nother fruit, but forget all that, you’re just messing up the analogy/metaphor.

It’s kind of funny though ‘cause we can be grafted into the vine & grafted back out (Paul), and he says that good fruit comes from a good tree (Jesus) and yada yada yada.

So the serpent/adversary was lying and said God just doesn’t want you to be like him, knowing everything.

…but what does it mean to know everything, and how does nihilating stuff make you know more of what’s essential/life/quality?

…or is knowing triadic? ;^)

There’s a certain amount (nay, quality) of information past which you’re no longer being informed. It’s just junk. It’s just extra. It’s just random trivia. All white is just noise. Truth is in distinction.

And that is why Emily can claim to be an atheist (if Dr. Craig is right that B theory completely contradicts Christianity) and say she doesn’t have any reason to believe A theory is TRUE… while still being open to being shown to be wrong.

They both need C Theory.

The rest (at) the end of creation isn’t a ceasing to do good/beauty, it is an enjoying of communion—the why of all the how. But even when it was broken on our level—on God’s it is unbreakable, so—there is always (already) a way back to wholeness. It has been demonstrated like a broken record, and will be again… and again… and again…

Imagine being simultaneously brand spanking new & as old as it’s possible to be, because you’re omnitemporal… Also a related trip:

…at the end or beginning of the day, I’m gonna keep returning to this:

If ethics is not true/descriptive of an always-good being, a) it isn’t true, and b) that being isn’t good/God…& knows nothing.

any being who has insight, not just between persons, but within persons…

I edited the original post as dots begin connecting.

VICE:

vicious in the sense of
three options:

showing a lack of empathy because it is part of your animal programming (being a lion) that doesn’t know any better

Vicious in the sense of intentionally and knowingly violating recognized consent

ignorant adaptation to a) trauma b) societal endorsement never corrected (I would say that is closer to the lion)

VIRTUE:

virtuous in the sense of three options:

showing empathy because it is part of your animal programming (you don’t know any worse)

virtuous in the sense of intentionally and knowingly respecting recognized consent

ignorant adaptation to a) trauma b) societal endorsement never reversed (I would say that is closer to the emperor penguin) (this kind of virtue is seen in Socrates’ myth of Er in Plato’s Republic… probably the complementary kind of vice is also seen, but I don’t recall off the top of my head—it is definitely seen in Nietzsche, but he doesn’t call it a vice)

Spacely space sprockets…

I’m more inclined to think of the unresolved (undisturbed) field of potential as the Being, the interaction with the field as the Act (where particles are defined), and the resulting environmental feedback as the Meaning (also includes quantum entanglement).

New age commies always need to repurpose words.

Muting thread.

You’re muting your own thread?

One day you’ll come on here and there will be no activity at all because you have muted literally everything.

Then you’ll try to tell someone about it, and the words just won’t come out. It’s at that point you’ll reaslise that in you over-zealous muting, you have accidentally muted yourself.

You mistook that guy for me because we have similar profile pictures.

Muting thread.

Lol JK

(so you’re a new age commie, are ya?)

…meaning is only possible because it is unconditioned ontologically prior to interacting with it… we abduct back to or away from it, or it just is “taken” (it’s part of us, so it’s not a conscious act) as given…

It’s like you’re frantically looking all over your house for the glasses you lost… meanwhile you are wearing them.

Yeah I did get you mixed up, should have known better, was tired (still am), sorry for the confusion.

The Spirit is always the tricky part for me, so I probably expressed that wrong, but what do you think about potential as the Being, and the sub-atomic contraction as the Act?

I feel like that makes sense, if so how would you express the Meaning?

Or maybe the contraction was caused by a parallel quantum state? Then Meaning would precede the Act?

Dunno.

They have to try to put me into at least one box, fuck it, like I care. And it’s just that dickhead, so I now care even less.

necessity (yellow)

is the parent

of invention (blue)

and variety is the spice that is life (red)