two things, about fucking time and…
it’s a good day in America…
Kropotkin
he definitely did that crime. now a bunch of people are going to say it’s a political case or this and that, but the logical conclusion from that line of thinking is that some people are above the law and that if someone is in a position of power that they should be allowed to commit crimes.
we’ll probably get to see a mugshot
This is how it probably goo down. There will occur political overt published reports on how the law could be applied to a former president, with a behind the doors negotiation based on changing political bilateral sentiment. Then a third commmittee may discuss how a judicial handed down judgement may be protracted by the appeals process.
in no way can be a quick in and out decision is possible, in light of tremendous developments in interlocking global conflicting affairs.
But who really can guess at this point?
Aren’t you guys disappointed?
7 years of digging and this is the best they could come up with?
The Bush and Obama admins are war criminals…think about that.
Do you honestly believe every president before Trump was squeaky clean?
You could fill a stadium with the amount of dirt and blood they’ve got on them.
This is political theatre, nothing more.
Your country is rotten to the core, it is ran by criminal oligarchs, same as my country.
this is probably the smallest of the cases that are currently pending against him. it’s the lowest stakes and allows precedent to be set going forward. it’s also a state charge so it can’t be pardoned by a president in the future. the case in georgia is significantly higher stakes for him and involves much more serious allegations. that grand jury is still in the process of deliberating but an indictment there is likely, probably imminent. then there’s the jack smith case which is churning along in the background and which he’s keeping really quiet about. he knows better than to keep acting out and making all the noise that he loves to make when it comes to that one.
i’m not sure how much you pay attention to current events and daily news as they relate to these issues, but anyone who does so with more than a passing glance knows that it doesn’t take a lot of digging to find a trump crime. his supporters will argue things like, “other people commit crimes…therefore…” or, “this is all political” which kind of implies that if someone has some political standing that they should be allowed to break the laws, or that if someone else breaks a law then everyone can break it. they may think that something shouldn’t be illegal, but if it is, then it is. what they will not do, is say that he is innocent in this case. the charges have not been released but it’s alleged that there are 34 counts and that these are crimes related to falsifying records. that’s pretty black and white stuff. it’s not like looking at a fist fight and trying to decide whether someone was punching in self defense. it’s as simple as determining whether the records that he kept were false. that’s why no one in his corner is actually trying to mount any real defense. so they’re stuck having to screech about how it’s political or about how he should be above the law instead.
trump just should have known better than to come out and act like such an asshole after winning the electoral college but losing the popular vote in a landslide. he never at any point during his term had the support of the american majority. the only people who say he did were people at outlets like brietbart or newsmax who exist solely for the purpose of duping the small rural population into thinking that a) they are the majority and b) everyone who lives in a city is a communist who wants to destroy their way of life and destroy america and kill babies and shit.
once you insult the city dwellers, the college goers, the latin american immigrants, everyone who lives in a blue state, women, all the gay people, and literally everyone else who isn’t part of your devoted base, you become reliant on that base to keep you in office and the reality is that it just isn’t that many people. they’re loud, they’re obnoxious and they wave flags and shit to make a big scene, but they just aren’t that many people. the swing voters who own small businesses and wanted lower taxes have abandoned him because of the culture war shit and his infantile behavior. they’re all embarassed and voting the other way now. he literally turned georgia blue.
like i insulted literally everyone in america and i can’t figure out how i lost the election and also i constantly comitted crimes in plain sight and am not being prosecuted not because i comitted crimes but because of my politics lmfao get the fuck outta here with that shit are you kidding me?
normal people are so tired of his doped up son running around saying the word communist and woke every 5 minutes and podcasting and grifting every minute of the day. his whole family is a sideshow.
yeah but they were our war criminals
he was indicted by a grand jury in new york and will have to turn himself in and be booked probably in the next week or so. then they’ll set an arraignment hearing the same way they do with every other criminal defendant. it’s not a federal case and it isn’t being prosecuted by any office in DC. it’s a district attorney in manhattan.
remember that time the republicans impeached bill clinton for a consentual blowjob? tried to remove him from office for that. those same people are now arguing that prosecuting trump for committing fraud and voilating campaign finance laws is a political witch hunt.
imagine being like “i’m against corruption…but just not this one guy’s corruption”
Politicians lie, cheat and steal for corporations, the military and themselves, that’s what politicians do.
I know that, you know that.
What I’m saying is, either go after all of them, or don’t go after any of them, instead they’re singling out one ex president, it’s a double standard.
And in big business sometimes you commit fraud, it’s a given.
They’re going after him, only after he became president, not before.
Again this is political persecution/theatre.
Some criminal oligarchs may be making less money because of things he said and did, whereas the vast majority of politicians go way out of their way to please them all, but one things for certain; the political class, especially its leftwing, just don’t like him for purely political reasons, because of his hardline stance on trade, immigration & identity politics, maybe foreign policy and because he said some mean things about the Clintons and other members of the political class.
They want to keep the public up at night thinking about just one guy, instead of systemic corruption or in other words, he’s a scapegoat.
I’m sure most Americans; republicans, independents, even many democrats are rolling their eyes at this stuff, they’re so over it, only people suffering from TDS on the one hand or die hard Tumpers who believe he’s the 2nd coming of Christ or Thomas Jefferson care about this garbage, the rest of the world is face-palming.
Read this headline from Politico:
Opinion | Trump Seems to Be the Victim of a Witch Hunt. So What?
It’s hard to believe prosecutors would bring this case against anyone else. But that doesn’t mean they’re wrong.
https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2023/03/30/trump-political-witch-hunt-indictment-00089011
Politico making my point for me.
From a legal standpoint, Trump isn’t any worse than your average politician or billionaire, but from a moral standpoint, if you’re a democrat or a Never Trump republican, he’s deeply offended your SJW sensibilities and you’re in control of the levers of justice, you single him out, because you’re a hypocrite and you have a double standard, the law isn’t being evenly applied here.
Another reason they didn’t like him was because he didn’t mandate the vaxxines, whereas a neocon like Bush, Kasich, Romney or Rubio probably would have.
Still he was responsible for ‘warp speed’, big pharma sure liked that.
i think you’re way out of touch with what most americans think
more good news peter. finland is joining nato, judge granted motions and summary judgement in the dominon case on all issues except malice, and denied fox motion to dismiss so the malice issue is headed for trial. also douglas mackey was found guilty in his case, and desantis is getting fucked in the ass by disney, and anton lazarro was convicted on 5 counts. they’re dropping like flies.
And here is Trumps outburst to the indightment;
Shocked and defiant: How Trump is responding to unprecedented indictment
Since a grand jury issued charges related to hush money to an adult film star, the former president has cycled through a range of emotions and postures.
Hours after a Manhattan grand jury voted Thursday afternoon to indict Donald Trump, the former president joined with his wife, Melania, his in-laws and conservative radio host Mark Levin on the patio of his private Mar-a-Lago Club for a preplanned dinner. Advisers to his 2024 presidential bid sat nearby, and Trump chatted with both groups, as well as club members offering their encouragement.
At one point, Trump showed off his soon-to-be-released book of letters between himself and celebrities and world leaders. At another, he began calling congressional Republicans, promising to fight the indictment and relishing in their declarations of support.
Yet in the immediate aftermath of the grand jury’s decision related to hush money paid to an adult-film star, Trump was not happy, said one person with direct knowledge of his reaction. Others described Trump as “upset,” “irritated,” “deflated” and “shocked,” though some noted that he also remained “very calm” and “rather stoic, actually.”
Trump — who played golf at his Palm Beach estate Friday, with plans to play again over the weekend — is expected to fly to New York on midday Monday. He will spend the night at his Trump Tower home before surrendering himself in Lower Manhattan on Tuesday.
“He’ll do Trump,” said David Urban, a longtime Trump adviser who is not working on his 2024 campaign. “He’ll show up. He’ll be indignant.”
The playbook Trump executed in the immediate aftermath of an unprecedented moment in American history — the first ex-president, ever, charged with a crime — is one that, for him at least, has become almost routine. Since first positing — incorrectly — on his social media platform almost exactly two weeks ago that he would be arrested in a few days, Trump has cycled through a range of emotions and postures, both public and private.
He has been angry and even threatening, attacking Manhattan District Attorney Alvin Bragg on his Truth Social site and warning of “potential death & destruction” if he was charged. He has been both resigned to and disbelieving of a potential indictment, at points behaving as if he could single-handedly disappear the ongoing investigation through some combination of magical thinking and public pressure.
And he has become, eventually, defiant — portraying himself as a hunted victim and leveraging the controversy as a political weapon.
Trump — a former reality TV host who is seeking to win a second term in the White House in 2024 — has already begun privately musing about the indelible images that will likely emerge from his day in court Tuesday, talking about everything from his mug shot to possible perp walk and how he can use the moment to convey defiance.
This portrait of Trump facing down a historic indictment is the result of interviews with 15 Trump advisers, lawyers, confidants and other officials, many of whom spoke anonymously to candidly share details of private conversations.
“He initially was shocked,” said Joe Tacopina, a Trump lawyer, on NBC’s “The Today Show” Friday. “After he got over that, he put a notch on his belt and he decided we have to fight now, and he got into a typical Donald Trump posture where he’s ready to be combative on something he believes is an injustice.”
“His knees don’t buckle,” Tacopina added, “so he’s now in the posture that he’s ready to fight this.”
Another longtime Trump adviser was blunter, describing the view among Trump advisers that the indictment is “political gold in a primary” and “definitely political gold for fundraising.”
“No one wants to get indicted, but if you are going to get indicted, do you know how much that picture is worth in a primary, for ads and for fundraising?” this person said.
Trump’s legal and campaign team had spent weeks preparing for an expected indictment. They had researched lines of attack against Bragg and Michael Cohen, Trump’s former attorney and fixer who is believed to be one of Bragg’s key witnesses. They had drafted possible statements and fundraising appeals to push out, as well as a broad plan for Trump’s allies, both legal and political, to blanket television and radio airwaves.
Yet Trump’s lawyers were nonetheless caught off-guard when the news actually came. Some had become so certain that there would be no movement on the investigation in the short term that they had been preparing to take time off, while others — including adviser Boris Epshteyn, who is playing a lead role on Trump’s legal team — had advised Trump that he would not be indicted at all.
Trump’s legal team broke the news to him by phone Thursday, and then began scrambling to prepare for the coming days.
The former president asked about the logistics of being arraigned, and spoke with his lawyers about what the proceedings would look like.
When initially preparing for Trump’s possible indictment, Secret Service agents had expressed concern that Trump might opt to be arrested; they disliked the safety issues raised by him being handcuffed by police rather than being accompanied by Secret Service agents, said a law enforcement official familiar with the planning. Since then, the Secret Service has been comforted to learn that Trump plans to surrender rather than be arrested.
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Trump also huddled with his political advisers and talked to members of Congress about how the charges might help him in a Republican primary.
Trump’s advisers and lawyers, however, have also viewed some of Trump’s more extreme posts on Truth Social to be problematic, including one last month in which he shared an image of him wielding a baseball bat next to a photo of Bragg. (Trump later claimed to Fox News’s Sean Hannity that he wasn’t aware of the image he’d shared).
The political downside is likely to come in a general election, many strategists say, where the electorate — including some more moderate Republicans and independents — has long signaled it is exhausted by the chaos and controversy in which Trump thrives. But for now, he remains unbowed, unconcerned that endless news cycles about paying hush money to an adult-film star could harm him politically.
“He has never been concerned about any story that paints him as a moral reprobate,” one Trump ally said. “His whole life and career have been full of those stories and they’ve never harmed him, in his mind.”
On Friday, the Trump campaign distributed an email collecting statements from six governors, 26 senators, House Speaker Kevin McCarthy (R-Calif.) and 63 other House Republicans, and 10 state attorneys general, proclaiming “united support” from the party. Trump’s super PAC released a poll showing overwhelming support among Republican primary voters and posted a video that received more than 1 million views on Twitter.
His team also immediately began using the news to fundraise. In one email to supporters Friday, Trump warned that “our justice system has utterly COLLAPSED.” He went on to ask for a $1 contribution “to cement your place in history and accept YOUR membership as a FOUNDING DEFENDER OF PRESIDENT DONALD J. TRUMP AGAINST THIS WITCH HUNT.”
Friday evening, the campaign sent out a press release claiming Trump had raised more than $4 million in the 24 hours after the indictment, including more than 25 percent of donations from first-time donors.
In addition to the Manhattan district attorney’s case against Trump, the former president is facing three other ongoing investigations — one in Fulton County, Ga., and two under the direction of special counsel Jack Smith. Trump’s allies and advisers believe the Manhattan case against him is especially weak, and will backfire both politically and legally. But some of his lawyers privately view the other cases as stronger — and fear a situation where they are battling multiple indictments in multiple jurisdictions.
“This is the lowest point in history for our criminal justice system,” said Chris Kise, one of Trump’s lawyers. “What was once the most respected and revered district attorney’s office in the nation has been fully bastardized by an opportunistic politician seeking, like many others, to cash in on the Trump brand.”
Added Trump campaign spokesman Steven Cheung: “This is nothing more than political persecution and, just like with every other hoax that President Trump has been targeted with, there is no crime, except for election interference through weaponization of our justice system against President Trump and his supporters.”
Trump and his team have not decided yet what arguments to make or which lawyers will speak during his arraignment Tuesday, in part because they have not seen the indictment or evidence.
Despite Trump’s desire for iconic images, his aides have been trying to convince him to make the trip to New York a quick one and avoid any public appearances or news conferences, citing safety risks — and so far, Trump seems inclined to oblige. They also hope to have him back out on the campaign trail by the end of next week.
As the news broke Thursday, many of Trump’s top advisers — including Cheung, Chris LaCivita, Jason Miller and Susie Wiles — were with him at Mar-a-Lago. But some of his team planned to leave the club this weekend and acknowledge that the current strategy may change.
“Trump is Trump,” one quipped.
But the defiant posture seems likely to remain. In a statement, Taylor Budowich, the head of MAGA Inc., railed against the indictment and promised it would deliver Trump another stint in the White House.
“For the sin of putting America first, the Democrats and billionaires are weaponizing government to try and stop him,” Budowich wrote. “They will fail, he will use this politically-motivated indictment to propel his campaign to an historic landslide victory, and with four more years, he will Save America.”
Jacqueline Alemany, Isaac Arnsdorf and Carol Leonnig contributed to this report.
Ashley Parker is Senior National Political Correspondent for The Washington Post. She has been part of two Post teams that won Pulitzer Prizes — in 2018 for National Reporting, and in 2022 for Public Service on the Jan. 6 attacks. She joined The Post in 2017, after 11 years at the New York Times. She is also an on-air contributor to NBC News/MSNBC.
Josh Dawsey is a political enterprise and investigations reporter for The Washington Post. He joined the paper in 2017 and previously covered the White House. Before that, he covered the White House for Politico, and New York City Hall and New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie for the Wall Street Journal.”
From the Washington Post yesterday’s edition